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Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 26, 2013 - 12:53am PT
Now that we are several years into 70m rope availability. Have you found them to be worth the price? Worth the extra schlep? Worth going down to a smaller diameter to reduce the weight enough to make it worth it?


What type of situations do you use your 70m for?

1. long alpine (with small diameter)?
2. Longer sport?
3. 70m standard areas, if there is such a thing?
4. Toproping longer than 100' lines since they are common in your area?


What areas do you use yours in?

Yos, Josh, Gunks, South Dakota, Banff, Peru, Jamaica?
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:07am PT
love mine. linking pitches is the shizzle. the extra weight? meh, 10 extra meters of pulling rope just develops stronger shoulders
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:17am PT
70's are already out of vogue.My friends and I are all runnin' 80's.Talk about strong shoulders when coiling...An 80 will do ya! :-)
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:18am PT
Unless you're climbing exclusively at josh or somewhere like that, why would you buy anything else?

And yes Many new routes require them.
QITNL

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:29am PT
Long alpine (with small diameter) - Sierra

70m can be a little long heading up, but is great for getting down fast. Thinking of switching over to a skinny 40m and doubling it with an even skinnier 40m for raps. Not for climbing real routes, just trying to get up and down crap.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2013 - 01:30am PT
well so far, all the strong climbers have spoken up.

how about the rest of us?



I'll go first. I dislike coiling extra rope. But I'm willing to do it if the cord is good and the weight is offset. The jacked up thing is that to link pitches, my haul line will need to be longer too!


Lucky my rei dividend is big, like me.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2013 - 01:31am PT
Joe, I hear ya. Brutus used to run with skinny half ropes for back country work. Thought about doing that?
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:40am PT
Munge,

I don't follow fads or flawed logic so I still climb on a 50m and a 60m. What I think is funny is that people are so concerned about weight that they go out and spend big $$$ on a 9.2mm single rope and then buy a 70m or 80m. Oh, yeah, did I say flawed logic.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2013 - 01:44am PT
I hear ya Bruce. I haven't done the math, but I'd be coming down from a 10.5mm to like a 9.sumpin

I think it is a wash, no? So that's why the extra coiling is now weighed against sheer utility like...

linking pitches
toproping at the Creek
toproping at the cookie

etc.

The bummer for me would be linking entails more gear since I'm a scardy.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:54am PT
Only rope ill buy. 9.9 70m. Great for linking gear pitches, great for long sport routes.

I use mine in squamish, skaha, yosemite, las vegas (well it wasn't mine but same rope)... It's great for toproping 35m pitches. If i could find an 80m i would buy it.a

For climbs that require a tagline i really like my 8mm half ropes, 70m also or one skinny one fat depending on partners. (If their half rope haters or not)

Indispensable for any 35m skaha pitches.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:59am PT
Indispensable in a gym ;)
squishy

Mountain climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:05am PT
I recently pick up a 40 and honestly, it's the best rope I've used...mmmmmm...I have an extra 70 in the closet somewhere, never use it much it's too big and I am really weak...I bet I can cut it into two 35's, nice, a twofer!
Steve Belford

Sport climber
Poway, CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:06am PT
I wouldn't buy anything else. I usually go for a 9.8mm. I am on my 5th or 6th 70m rope. The 70m seems to be the standard for the sport climbs around Bishop. I was in JT last week with a 70 and I did not even sweat the extra rope. I never have been screwed by having too long a rope.
QITNL

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:11am PT
Cheers, Munge.

For alpine choss, I got a 40m 9.2 Fusion Nano and an 8.3 Mammut half - $90 & $60 for those counting cash. Can run them double if the situation warrants, usually no need for that. Together they weigh little more than a skinny 70m. Apart from runouts should be faster to manage, less slack to reel in when you don't know where the hell you are going except up. Throw in a EDK and got the raps covered - 20m raps would suck.

Plus you gotta carry it in and I'm a lightweight. At least that's what I'm thinking. Anyone wanna climb something easy and stupid this summer, off the beaten path?

70's are handy for some Valley raps.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:16am PT
Munge,

I don't think you are gonna get people to seriously consider if they really need a longer rope all the time. One of the other fads and flawed logic I like is the use of rope bags to, supposedly, extend the rope life by keeping it clean. The same people who use rope bags also lower through their gear at the top of sport climbs instead of rappelling. Lowering puts way more wear and tear on a rope.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:31am PT
A short rope for cragging isn't a bad idea. Trouble is, there are lots of longer routes as well as shorter routes at our crags. Are you going to take two shorty's or just one long one?

A 60 would be nice for areas that are guaranteed sub 30m, trouble is there aren't many areas like that around here.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:25am PT
80m in Yosemite...

Fish says 83m or you're hosed...
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Laramie
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:13am PT
My most recent 70m was cut in half for sport climbing at a somewhat constant height winter area along the North Platte river. I have 2 ropes of 35m.

Another climber there seeing my 2 tidy piles of rope cut his 70m in half.

Once I was doing the 5.11 west face route on Square Top with 60 meter ropes but could not utilize their length very often because of too much rope drag.

But keep buying those 70's & 80's as friends of mine give me their end trashed ropes. I cut the ends off and use the approx <60m piece for tram lines on steep overhangs.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:36am PT
120' ropes for me!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 26, 2013 - 07:26am PT
Bigger,faster longer is not always better, this is supposed to be fun. pushing the pitch length makes sense sometimes but often it does not. sit down on that ledge and look arouund. appreciate the beauty of where you are...
Captain...or Skully

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 08:27am PT
60 meters is quite a ways. Enough for me.
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Mar 26, 2013 - 08:55am PT
In the Gunks, most pitches are less than 50m. Some are only 20'. A 60m line can go bottom to top in many places and bottom to grand traverse ledge most of the time.

I'd say 70m is overkill in the Gunks. However, being the cheap bastard that I am, I only have a 70m line that is very useful at other places like the 'daks, NH, Yos...
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Mar 26, 2013 - 09:37am PT

Me too--60m is great. . .

remember the 'old' ropes used to be 150 feet!
j-tree

Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
Mar 26, 2013 - 09:42am PT
I use a 70m 9.4 for freeclimbing but since I've been mostly aiding recently don't see much of a need. The extra distance you can go also means that you're having to carry extra gear or running out when you try to short fix.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Mar 26, 2013 - 09:48am PT
I love the 70m lead for linking pitches, and especially the 70m haul line for extra long linked hauls.

I bought a 60m haul line because it was cheap, but I really wish it was 70m.
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:10am PT
It entirely depends on the area. If I'm not using the extra 10 meters, why would I want to carry it?
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:11am PT
remember the 'old' ropes used to be 150 feet!

Yep,
Then 164'/50m, 197'/60m, 229'/70m, 262'/80m.

Sad to say that as I've aged my body weight has kept pace with rope lengths
in feet= pounds, right now my weight is at the 70m length, would like to be at 60m like my rope. LOL

I'm good with a 60m rope.

Carry on,
Tad

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Munge...i use them for all of the reasons you mentioned EXCEPT alpine rock or alpine climbing. I find that for those two instances the extra wt, (remember you'll need more gesr) doesn't compesate for the extra length.
Oliv3r

Trad climber
SF
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:24am PT
I would rather have a 60 if I was only going to own one rope. I have a 70 and enjoy it when the opportunity to link pitches presents itself, but the rest of the time it's just extra rope to keep track of. More often than not I end up using a partners 60.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:29am PT
Cut my last rope into two pieces.

Too damn long for the solo top-roping I was doing.
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:38am PT
I'm with Donini, extra length is not worth the extra weight, in the mountains. For cragging, 70m is probably ok; I still use a 60 though.
Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
Mar 26, 2013 - 10:44am PT
Interesting this topic just came up, as I've just decided to order a 70, 9.8 after usually climbing on a 60 for years. I'd actually won a 70 in a raffle a year ago, but it is a 10.5 and too damn heavy and bulky to carry around---at least for lazy, old me. While a 70 is overkill at my local areas (even a 60 is overkill at most of them!!!!), travelling, especially to areas that primarily feature sport routes, I have found that a longer rope is becoming a necessity for many routes. And, my first rope was a 120 foot, 3/4 inch (I think) Goldline!!!!
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:11am PT
I just won a new 9.8 X 70M Sterling in an AAC event. Only used it one day so far but it handles beautifully. It would have been nice to have that much cord in the Black BITD.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:15am PT


"right now my weight is at the 70m length, would like to be at 60m like my rope"...

LOL!!!...
John Butler

Social climber
SLC, Utah
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:33am PT
70 has been soooo nice I'm tempted to go 80
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:34am PT
Just plunked down $$$$$ on a 60m
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:36am PT
I just got an 80 for climbing at the Creek.....heading out tomorrow to bust it's cherry.
Edge

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:50am PT
I only upgraded to a 60 two years ago, a Sterling Velocity 9.8, and love it. It is now time to replace it prior to my road trip, and I don't know that for the type of climbing I do that a 70 would be necessary. I only climb sport on occasion, like shorter pitches on alpine for the weight savings, and most of the classic trad routes were put up with shorter ropes; I'm not compelled to link pitches unless there is a good reason to do so.

I'm looking at the 60 x 9.8 Sterling Velocity, would like a bi-color, and my experience is that the dry coatings don't last worth a damn and would be largely unnecessary if I'm climbing mostly rock. I'm just waiting to find one on sale, but if that doesn't happen in the next month I suppose I'll just drop the $200 from Moosejaw.
Fletcher

Trad climber
The great state of advaita
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:58am PT
I just got a 70 recently... inadvertently. The place I ordered from were out of the 60 version (those must have been bought up by the old geezers!), so they sent me a 70. When I first got it, I thought, "Damn, this is one helluva heavy 60 meter rope!"

Since it's an 10.5, I just cut off 10 meters. But for non-alpine routes and a half millimeter less diameter, I'd get a 70 fer sure. Not that I'm going to use my new rope in alpine environments... still too heavy at 10.5.

Eric
Matt M

Trad climber
Alamo City
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
It all depends on what/where I'm climbing. There is absolutely no perfect rope.

Gunks? 60m Half Ropes - Can get down in one rap from nearly everything.
Multi Pitch Cragging with walk off? - 60m single is the go to. I've done shorter but noticed that the 60m is nice when you can stretch it JUST A BIT and perhaps link 2 SHORT pitches
70m - A MUST HAVE for certain areas. Really nice for single pitch cragging. Some areas seem MADE for a 70m (Index, WA comes to mind) The 70m is also nice for long, moderates where you can link pitches without the need for a lot of extra gear. Linking two hard-for-you pitches that would require a sizable rack is counter productive
80m - A bit more speciallized but again, it might be PERFECT for your area. I just discovered that an 80m is IDEAL for my local granite "multi pitch" - Enchanted Rocks, TX. Every pitch is just about 40m max. Makes getting down two raps EASY and you can link the easy climbs into nice long jaunts.

I absolutely HATE tag lines and use them only if absolutely needed / perfect for the situation.
Harder multi-pitch I often climb on THIN half ropes (60m) I don't have issues with the rope management and it will get me down anything if weather becomes an issue.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
good insights all, thx much, keep it coming.


Especially Valley and Meadows climbers and Wallers.


Gracias
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Ive had a 70 some time now. I don't like the extra bulk and weight if that excess is for the most part laying on the ground unused. I prefer a shorter lighter rope for any sort of simulclimbing and I would never take that 70 into the back country or high alpine. Its just too honking heavy.

So I'm a 70m user for sure, but if I could only have one rope I'd stick with a 60.

Luckily I have different ropes for different jobs.

DMT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
ropes are for sailors

RyanD

climber
Squamish
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
70 is great. If you actually climb enough to wear your rope down you can cut it down as the ends get fuzzy, creating a longer lasting rope. 70m pitches are fun too.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
im going to 80m this year
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
Longer ropes contribute to climate change.
gonzo chemist

climber
Fort Collins, CO
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
I'll never buy a 60m rope again. I've been using 70m exclusively for about the last 3 years.

I spent all last week in Indian Creek and climbed plenty of lines that were longer than 100ft.

Here's two examples where having a 70m was nice:

The Wave, on Supercrack Butress.
Top Sirloin, on Second Meat Wall.

I wish I'd had an 80m for Jolly Rancher on Pistol Whipped Wall.

jahil

Social climber
London, Paris, WV & CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
I have two 70s, climb in the Valley, TM and the Sierra with them all the time. I found I can do After 7 as a 3 pitch route - last time I went up with 2 noobs, our party of 3 passed everyone else on the route.
If I can find an 80 I'll buy it.
steve
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
100 meters, here we come!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
NEVER worried about rope lengths and rarely ran them to the end. 150' be plenty for me. I belay where a nice ledge shows up.. Dont care if its 100 , 124, or 98 feet. Dont give a rip about speed- ya miss too much along the way. May even kick back on the ledge talking with a cliff frog or sumpn..;-)
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
My buddy kyle cut one of his ropes down to 35m for simuling. Its perfect. Just enough rope for no drag.

It's not about speed it's about continuos climbing. Linking the whole chief in three huge pitches is just rad!
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
pfft - 80's were in vogue when this thread started but everyone is running 90m's now.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
ropes are for sailors

blasphemy! sailors use lines. It is rope until it is put into service, then it is a line or some other term such as hawser, halyard or lanyard, never a rope.

rincon

Trad climber
SoCal
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
70m - A MUST HAVE for certain areas.

What areas?

Is there a place where the anchors are 70 meters apart?.

Back in the olden days, we actually brought TWO ropes if the raps were long...I guess nobody does that anymore?
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Ropes are like shoes, you can never have too many if you're looking for the ideal setup for each occasion.

I love my marathon 80 for long sport pitches, Indian Creek, and helping bruce hilden reassure himself that he is a master of logic immune to 'fads' like like not getting lowered off the end of the rope.

The 70 comes out for long-but-easy stuff like the EBMC where linking pitches does not entail a monster rack, or long-but-hardish stuff in the Black where the extra length is mostly a security measure in the event of a bail but 2 ropes would be too much too manage.

60m is kind of a default standard for cragging or multi-pitch- good enough for most single pitches and the occasional rope-stretching link.

50m- I haven't had one of these that has seen real use since the mid-90's. I have a 9.1 Joker that comes out for the alpine, or easier multi-pitch with a low chance of extensive hanging.

<50m (chopped ropes, mostly) actually get more use than the 50m 'standard' since there's lots of dinky sport crags where I live and 140' or so is plenty.


Buying more ropes costs more money, but the upside is that the wear gets spread out over them all so no one rope gets worn out real soon (mind you, I don't climb a lot of hard sport).

Given that the No.1-with-a-bullet way of getting hurt cragging seems to involve lowering with inadequate rope, carrying a bit of extra to the average single-pitch joint doesn't seem to be a big imposition-- especially compared with the time-sucking/dangerous shenanigans we all find ourselves doing when toproping longer single pitches.
Edge

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
Ron Anderson wrote:
May even kick back on the ledge talking with a cliff frog or sumpn..;-)

Am I the only one that read this and thought, "lick it?"
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:08pm PT


I use a 30m, a 50m, a 60m and a 70m...

Each has an application that suits my needs...

If I find that an 80m is useful, I'll get one of those two...

(But PLEASE don't tell mountainlion)...

;-)

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
I have a 70m.

Sometimes I'm glad I brought it.

Sometimes I ask myself - why do I have all this rope?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
Can u even buy 50m ropes anymore?
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
not to thread drift my own thread, but why are static lines almost always sold in lengths that are shorter than your average climbing CORD?


Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
They're trying to weed out the sport rappellers.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
Can u even buy 50m ropes anymore?


I asked at my gym about ordering an inexpensive one to be my indoor beater, but it was a no-go.

Back OT, I bought my first rope last month, after having spent the last year climbing on my friends' 60 and 70 meter ropes. I went with a nice, lean 70. No regrets yet (we'll see if I feel the same when I lug it into the wilds this summer...)
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Mar 26, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
yeah, I love dragging a 70-meter rope to my local 40-foot crag. Thanks, private equity!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
_Hi Pat
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
2. Longer sport?
that seems like it.
WBraun

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
why are static lines almost always sold in lengths that are shorter than your average climbing CORD?

Because they hang straight down.

Static lines don't need to wander like lead lines.

Now don't-ch know that ......
Captain...or Skully

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
We had a super long static line on New Dawn. The cluster cord.
Meh.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 27, 2013 - 09:33am PT
You can leave me a message pat,convince me we have anything to talk about. It is fun having
Have you stalk me! I have your hundred texts from after midnight last night and so do the authorities. They seemed more interested in video though.

Guess you had to delete.
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Ron does have a point. Unless going to a fixed anchor, you can belay wherever you want.( just don't hold up the send train)

Nowadays, I'm more interested in getting a smaller diameter(9.1-9.5mm) rope
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Mar 27, 2013 - 06:12pm PT


The problem with 70 meter ropes.....

Don't f*#k with hornets on the descent!

DMT
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 27, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
My std cord for multi pitch has been a 70m for over 10 years. I like em, especially now that we're down to mid 9mm dias.

My sport climbing rope is a 60 (although I will occasionally bust out the 70, because my local sport crag the Riverside Quarry has several pitches over 30m that require a 70 to lower or rap if you don't want to do a L-P-L).

why are static lines almost always sold in lengths that are shorter than your average climbing CORD?

Huh? Not in my experience. Sure you can get em in weird lengths (blame the cavers or roped access workers), but just as easily get them in std 50,60,70 lengths. You can also just buy it by the foot. Last static line I bought was a 200m spool...if your climbing cord is longer than that, you must carry one hell of a big rack to link 3-4 pitches at a time.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
If you are going to use a static rope as a tag line make sure it is 5 meters longer than your lead rope to accomodate the stretch in the lead rope.
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
I've been using 2 x 8.0mm x 60m for at least 5 years. Before that it was 2 x 9.0mm x 60m for a few years. Using doubles has saved my arse on several occasions, for long raps, a few times needing to cut ropes, losing one in the wind, etc.

On some alpinish routes or where I'm mostly solo'ing but want a back-up plan, I only take one and fold it in half when using to minimize dragging.

I've found that linking pitches is only feasible on certain types of routes. I tend to more blocky bush-wacky wandering stuff where it's just impractical to do longer pitches. The communication issues and stuck-ropes issues are not worth the supposed time savings.

That said, I can see the benefit on straight-up clean cracks or slabs. But then you seriously run out your pro or bring quite a lot.

So I have never yet had an experience where I said "damn, if I only had a 70m rope." Plenty of times I've stretched a 60m though.
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Mar 27, 2013 - 08:35pm PT

why are static lines almost always sold in lengths that are shorter than your average climbing CORD?

You can buy static cord off a spool at any length
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 27, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
I like the 70 when it's needed, mines a 9.6 Beal dry, so it handles great, but I can barely coil it. Don't mind the weight, but it doesn't really fit in my hand.

One downside I discovered; I ran 2 pitches together on Penneyroyal Arches, right side, it took the full 70, I was really gassed and a little trembly setting up the belay. That is a right facing corner almost the whole way.
(Super fun at 5.7)

The 70 was originally purchased for top roping the Chouinard Falls in Lee Vining Canyon (CA). A 70 keeps you from having to pass a knot on the far left, belaying from the boulder.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 27, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
Several years into 70m rope availability, what say you?

With several years of data now available, I think we're finally in a position to be able to state with some certainty that 70m ropes are, on average (and allowing for some inaccuracy of measurement), ten meters longer than 60m ropes.
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 27, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
^^^roflmao, 'cause I thought of that too
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Mar 27, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
60m half ropes have worked for me for many years. They're 62% longer than the 37 meter (120 ft) ropes I started out with, and meanwhile I'm 1% shorter, so everything seems bigger anyway.

I'm stickin' with the 60's.
msiddens

Trad climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Munge- LOVE mine for more than just a few options. I don't use it dragging so much but having it in the arsenal works on my rack for all multi-pitch climbs. We should go!
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