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north fork
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Mar 18, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
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Fresno does not have over a million people and it doesn't smell like sh#t until you reach Tulare.
My best advice would be the foothills and commute to the city whichever you choose. Oakhurst is a bigger mountain town and probably the closest thing to what you're looking for. Lots of cheap houses around right now too.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 18, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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How old are you?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Mar 18, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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Bishop Ca.
Best place, sport year round, super hot, super cold, just need a place to work and your golden.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 18, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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I'd suggest Dalkey, Ireland... perhaps not much of a help and we may not be here much longer. Council housing in some hell hole probably (Ballybrack, Sallynoggin, who knows).
But if you are one of the super rich who live here (Dalkey/Killiney), hop on your jet and Yosemite Valley is not that far.
Super rich need accountants.
We are not super rich, I had to sell the jet last week.
Seriously, having lived outside of California for many years (my native state), I'd say...
Stockton.
Okay, just joking,..
Lodi is...
Too near to Escalon.
San Francisco... beats most cities in the world, just cold summers.
Don't listen to me, as I am out of touch... but I miss California. I stay in ireland for Jennie's sake (she hates it here, and she is Irish, but free medical care and such... which she needs). Go West young man.
Chico, Auburn, Jackson, Napa, Sonora (uh, Dingus can tell you more, I lived in the Sonora area for over three years but that was in the 1970s, but is has grown and changed).
Merced? Fresno? I just don't know. Good luck and best wishes.
Cheers
Patrick
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MB of the Central Valley
climber
kingsburg, CA
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Mar 18, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
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I think JE in the early post nailed Fresno. I would only add: if you want to participate in your community, its important issues, and you are comfortable living and working in the red part of the blue state, you'll be fine in the greater Fresno to Visalia realm. The access is great, but you have to love to drive. Out the door after work requires a vehicle and some added drive time, for sure. You ought to know that religious conservatism is the dominate ruling paradigm. At least that was my world. Thought I would share my perspective.
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franky
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Mar 18, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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Fresno, Clovis, Madera, and other towns in the area are usually counted toward metropolitan fresno's total, which is over 1 million. It seems to be more relevant of a measure than the arbitrary boundary between fresno and it's suburbs, but whatever.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Mar 18, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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woodfords cali. lol
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Mar 18, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
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the foothill towns are great...
if you like meth.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Mar 18, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
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You're from louisville. I spend time in louisville.
Go to Sacramento and enjoy a better quality of life.
Look at the surrounding suburbs... Folsom and El Dorado hills get you an hour from lovers Leap, Under 3.5hours from Yos Valley Floor.
I love living in El Dorado Hills.
EDIT: so it makes sense ;)
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 18, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
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I have just done a bit of research...
...Fresno doesn't seem that bad nowadays (but I could be wrong).
As for me, Jennie and I need to be by the sea AND mountains. Kamchatka. Cold though.
Charlie Porter has it right, in Chile, and Guido (Joe McKeown), too. South Pacific, New Zealand, Santa Cruz (used to surf there). I am so envious
Go West, young man, there are a lot of opportunities.
I am ignorant, but I would start with Fresno, feel your way around and then make a bigger decision.
But don't take my advice, I am broke and could use your accountancy services.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 18, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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mts4602,
GhoulweJ speaks the truth, the Highway 50 corridor with it's access to professional and higher paying jobs is a place to consider from Davis/Sacramento to Pollock Pines and the Tahoe Basin. I live at 3,000 ft. in the Apple Hill area near the foothill community of Camino an old lumber town just east of Placerville. I ski all winter and climb all shoulder seasons and summer within a half or an hour of my house. We hit the Valley in the spring and fall and TM in the summer both three hours + a few minutes from our door to granite.
Please srbphoto, show me anywhere in rural America where meth isn't a problem (Hanford has it's own toxic issues, sorry for taking a jab) I for one find the Tea Party here in the foothills as annoying but not as lethal, at least I don't think so.
The Sierra Foothills are changing dramatically as urban climbers and skiers are trying to figure out how to live close to their passions. The communities here are incredible the best thing I ever did was moving from San Diego to Placerville in 1978.
If you find yourself along the corridor send me a PM, as a business owner with offices in Placerville, Sacramento and SLC I can provide you a good perspective. Best of luck!!!
Charlie D.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Mar 18, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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Visalia is near Sequoia. That's a whole 'nuther place. It's like Yosemite Plus some stuff & minus others.
Don't get in a rut, peoples.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 18, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
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the best thing I ever did was moving from San Diego to Placerville in 1978.
Wow pretty high praise considering SD has the best weather in the world and great beaches.
Lots of solid info above. No really good cities close to Yosemite.
I like the Sacramento area far better than the bay area. The weathers not as good but there's not 40 mile traffic jams going out and in every weekend.
Sac is an ok city.
The foothills east of sac are a good compromise for me. Auburn, I80 is better for skiing. Placerville, 50 is better for climbing.
Any of these options close to the Sierra is so much better than the humid East.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 18, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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^^^ Highway 50 has the best backcountry skiing in the the Tahoe Sierra, the Interstate 80 corridor has the best resorts.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Mar 18, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
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My house has the best wine.... I'm on Hwy 50.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 18, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
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^^^ once again GhoulweJ speaks the truth, wait is there any left???
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Mar 19, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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I grew up in Fresno, lived in Sacto, Davis, Auburn, Placerville, Sonora, and Chico. I also lived many years in the park and spent a summer in Reno/Tahoe/Carson City. Chico is 5 hours from the valley and is the best of all of them, with all the accoutrements. Sacto and Davis are a long ways away from anything, including Yosemite. They're a smog pit, rat race, traffic/crime nightmare. Fresno is a smog pit too but really close to the valley and other Sierra destinations; JE sums it up well. Sonora is as close, or closer to Yosemite, but you might feel isolated there. It does have a lively community college, day bouldering, and is labeled a "mountain" town with great skiing and kayaking nearby. Auburn is like Sonora, but too far away. Modesto is 3.5 hours from the valley on congested farm roads; may as well live in SF and have it all. Besides Chico, I vote Sonora, then Fresno/Oakhurst.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Mar 19, 2013 - 01:27am PT
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Modesto is 3.5 hours from the valley on congested farm roads
No, San Jose is 3.5 hours from the Valley. Modesto is considerabley closer.
map it out OP. you'll see what average drive times are.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Mar 19, 2013 - 02:12am PT
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Modesto is 3.5 hours from the valley on congested farm roads
A typo, but not far off; 2.5 at best. If you're traveling in the middle of the night, maybe you can make it from SJ in 3.5. Weekend traffic maroons a lot of people in the city who are'nt willing to travel at oddball hours.
Like Werner said, you can make it to the valley from Fresno in 1:15 if all is clear.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 19, 2013 - 06:44am PT
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Foresta, until it burned down.
EDIT
Please srbphoto, show me anywhere in rural America where meth isn't a problem (Hanford has it's own toxic issues, sorry for taking a jab) I for one find the Tea Party here in the foothills as annoying but not as lethal, at least I don't think so.
I know that the Tea Party is toxic, but, and I am serious in asking, is meth a big problem in California? Call me naive, but are there really a lot of meth heads?
EDIT again
My mom was a Mountaineer (Montani semper liberi - Mountaineers Are Always Free). West Virginia.
Dad was from Olympia (it's the water - Tumwater - yeah some of the weakest beer around).
If you come West, and I love California (and miss it), Seattle? Okay, the Valley is not that close (by far), but you have the Cascades, Washington Pass, Rainer, Shuksan, Squamish not that far away, Bugaboos a bit farther, Idaho a bit closer (some great climbing, but just watch for rattlers as you cross eastern Washington, why do you think they call them Rattlesnake Hills around Yakima). Oh yes, Olympic NP, beautiful.
Just a thought. Being a native Californian, and if we leave Ireland, Seattle may be a destination. Heck, the rain wouldn't bother me, I've lived in Ireland for over 17 years. Why do you think they call it the Emerald Isle.
Otherwise, San Francisco, Chico, maybe Sonora (I went to Columbia College, good bouldering down in the arboretum), but I think that the Sonora area has become a sprawl (though I haven't been there for years). Twain Harte is nice. Oakhurst ain't bad.
But then, since 1982, most of my time has been spent in Europe, so...
I was really surprised (in 1993) how the Antelope Valley has become a massive sprawl of development. Lancaster and Palmdale are almost merged.
California here I come, right back where I started from...
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