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Trad climber
Sierra Vista
Mar 17, 2013 - 11:29am PT
This topic and the response poses one of the great contradictions about
the US of A.

As an outsider looking in (Though I lived in Arizona a couple of years, and benefited from reciprocal healthcare) I am always struck by the compassion found on here for those who have fallen on hard times....usually the result of healthcare bills.

Despite these disasters (and the millions we don't see) you haven't had a healthcare system worth a damn, and as a country seem to be struggling to come to terms with what Obama is trying to introduce.

Our NHS is far from perfect, but over the years I have had four significant operations, a whole bundle of ongoing care for some chronic stuff. My son has had an Osteochondroma removed from his femur, and so on and on. None of it done at a direct cost to me.

The belief some in the US (and on here) have that, a healthcare system the equal of, or better than the NHS is impossible, is frankly staggering. The only thing I can see standing in its way is the vested interest of the private healthcare system.

It's frankly amazing that folks have to come here for financial support - it just shouldn't be like that. Sh#t, if we can do it.........

(but I applaud your tribal compassion)

Confused of the UK
steve shea

Mar 17, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Philo, you are right on bud. Teabaggers, I got miners and nimbys. All duplicitous jerks. Islands unto themselves. I'm happy to help someone in need if I can. Makes me feel good and hopefully helps out. There but for the grace of ...

Mar 17, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Blakey, It would be un American for anything to stand in the way of the insurance companys and their billions in profits.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 17, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Our system is so bad i even know EMT's on the ambulence that run IV's simply to get the extra $80.00

two miles from Eldorado
Mar 17, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
Nalone- I'll totally agree, if you send me a dollar.

Sport climber
Mar 17, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
What Blakey said. Money that should have been used on healthcare ends up in the pockets of insurance companies and lawyers. Observing Americans discussing their healthcare system is a jaw-dropping experience seen from a part of the world where the healthcare system functions quite well. The president does his best against the resistance of the money-makers and the lost-through-spinning-every-man-for-himself-ideological-sleepwalkers.

Mar 17, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
In America we have to do everything are own way, no matter how f*#ked up it is. The worst thing is we never learn from are mistakes.

Mar 17, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Very nice, Dave Kos.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 17, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
Echo Steve Shea's comment to the dot.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 17, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
those who have fallen on hard times....usually the result of healthcare bills.


1. Dont pay them. Change phone numbers and block the numbers of the collection agencies. Worst, worst case scenario is that you get sued. Just defend it pro se and many years later the millionaire doctor gets a judgment against you. Then declare bankruptcy, hopefully your primary residence and car stay with you.

2. If you're not going to die right away, get the hell out of the US and get medical care anywhere else.

Mar 17, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
If you're not going to die right away, get the hell out of the US and get medical care anywhere else.
Probably not quite that easy
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 17, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
Well,, ill take the medical care available here any day. Say what you want, but there are a few walking/climbing miracles on this very forum thanks to the advancments of medical care here. Rebuilds on legs, backs and necks and the like.

Don Paul is a chavez/eye-dumuh-jab/kimjoguwee fan..Probably dug ohwsalmi bin -waden to.. pffff
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Mar 17, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Big surprise, another internet ball bag decides to be a dick. Nothing to get upset over, I'm sure it's the only success they have going for them.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Mar 18, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
Ron Anderson, when are you going to stop shooting yourself in the foot, then shoving it in your mouth and then claim whatever welfare you can? ;-)

I wonder if you are the original OP.

Mar 18, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
The US "healthcare" INDUSTRY making a killing off of human misery. Very little care or health involved, lots of industry and highway robbery.

Social climber
Sierra Eastside
Mar 18, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
I concur entirely with Blakey. While it is commendable to offer our fellows assistance out of compassion, it is no replacement for a functioning health care system. Yes we should help and give, but we must also put some money and energy into advocacy of the changes needed to keep injured people out of the poorhouse.

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Mar 18, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
I need more money for more bullets... Cash please. Thanks

Trad climber
Mar 18, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
The OP is living in a bubble of some sort. Bubbles exist for mere fleeting moments of perfect symmetry. They are temporary, like Achilles. Even the mighty can fall. They plummet from great heights when they do.
This is a barbaric nation. The wild west mentality worked well enough when there was a frontier but we're living in a closed system now. European cultures have had many centuries to deal with this lack (except for the new world for their cast-off dirt bags) but we've only had about one century, a few generations to figure it all out, how to be civilized.

Social climber
Mar 18, 2013 - 10:44pm PT

Someone has posted twice on the forum!

It must be important and warrant 100 responses!

You guys are actually catching up to the crowd - congratulations on your gullibility.
Captain...or Skully

Mar 18, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
Larry called Troll a bunch of posts ago. It was ya'lls intertia.
Unstoppable. You should bottle that stuff.
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