Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 16, 2013 - 10:17am PT
Jeez people about one quarter of these threads are people begging because of some unplanned event that has left them destitute. I just got to wonder what was your game plan, most have had no regular employment....to busy playing and no insurance.
How about getting a job and paying your own way. It's called being an adult. Hard times can come to anyone but most of these were predictable what exactly did you think was going to happen?
So you had nothing better to do than create an anonymous avatar to start another thread to whine about the fact that people other than you are generous and caring. What a weasel. Delete this useless thread.
I have not made any whack a mole posts in months but you troll may just about warrant a double barrel dose of bad mouth.
"Predictable" WTF? "Get a Job" WTF?
What happened to me and what happened to Big Mike were not predictable. They were utter sucker punches to our lives. We have jobs but it is really hard to work a job with a broken back. I have been able to work my business again since my surgery and Big Mike will too. Now his job, and it is damn serious work, is to heal and recover. What's your problem?
Oh and Blitzo's situation, I am sure you believe he should have just predicted it.
Are you kidding? Many of the ST folks apparently didn't get a job with normal health insurance, much less have any personal savings. It is fairly unseemly to be adults dependent upon charity but that's the dirt bag way.
Begging is acceptable. Look at the sailboat guy that just drowned during a yacht race in San Diego. He was married with a kid and one on way. He wasn't even dead for 24 hours and his buddies started a website for donations for his "memorial" and the kid's college educations. Now mind you, this guy was crewing on a friend's yacht Uncontrollable Urge, but he owned his own yacht too, the Uproarious. Explain to me why a middle aged adult man who has enough money to belong to the local yacht club, be an active racer, and owns his own friggin yacht, wouldn't have had life insurance once he got married and started pumping out kids? Begging is Plan B now.
I think you may be misunderstanding the intent. These acts of community kindness are not merely random. They are in fact a concerted effort to change our culture into one of nanny state entitlement, funded and promoted by that George Soros of climbing web sites, Chris MacNamarra.
Climbers have always been somewhat on the leading edge of social change so if such blatent a communist agenda can be enacted here, it is reasoned that the rest of America will follow suite with hardly a whimper.
I understand your concern and sympathize ( limp wristed cry baby liberal that I am) so in further expression of my guilt in causing you anguish and consternation I would like to direct you to the following web site:
where you will find other like minded individuals with whom you can wring your hands and gnash your teeth with. Good luck and if ever you stub your toe don't hesitate to come scurrying back begging for help, much as Ayn Rand found herself doing.
Many of the ST folks apparently didn't get a job with normal health insurance
Many of us here have chosen to not work in a cubicle (terrible, I know) and are self employed or work as subcontractors.
That said, I compel you to find one thread where someone is soliciting funds for themselves. All of the fundraiser threads were started by others who want to help.
If you can't understand what it's like to feel sympathy or empathy and want to help, then you're a f*#king lost cause.
I think many of us who take/took climbing seriously recognize that there are free spirits out there who have enriched our lives and improved the climbing community and might need a little help down the line.
I'm a frumpy attorney with insurance and all that but I get how some folks might need some assistance.
I didnt choose to be born in a nation with a less than third world healthcare system. But I'm damn-well willing to do the governments job even if it isn't. It's called being morally superior to your own leaders.
Are you kidding? Many of the ST folks apparently didn't get a job with normal health insurance, much less have any personal savings. It is fairly unseemly to be adults dependent upon charity but that's the dirt bag way.
Begging is acceptable. Look at the sailboat guy that just drowned during a yacht race in San Diego. He was married with a kid and one on way. He wasn't even dead for 24 hours and his buddies started a website for donations for his "memorial" and the kid's college educations. Now mind you, this guy was crewing on a friend's yacht Uncontrollable Urge, but he owned his own yacht too, the Uproarious. Explain to me why a middle aged adult man who has enough money to belong to the local yacht club, be an active racer, and owns his own friggin yacht, wouldn't have had life insurance once he got married and started pumping out kids? Begging is Plan B now.
I donīt see how a few friends wanting to help out the family of a lost buddy equals begging, it is an awesome gesture and when the larger sailing or climbing community passs around the pot it can help a lot. Even if he had insurance money may still be short.
No matter who you are you never know when you may end up needing help, or mabye be in a position to give it, maybe both at some time or another. Helping out for others is not a bad thing.
I donīt know Mike from UU or his situation, I have a few friends who do. Having a boat and racing it does not mean you have tons of money- I was racing my own small yacht in San Diego and living off slightly more then minimum wage. Lots of "yachts" cost less than a lot of people heres racks.
I donīt think Silvergate is too expensive of a club.
Let us know!