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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 16, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
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Gotta love Victor Hanson's perspectives.
Its all in the culture.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 16, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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Coz, you know about as much about petroleum geology as I do about Hollywood Rigging.
Team America is one of the funniest movies ever. All done with dolls. The uncensored love scene is classic.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Mar 16, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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No one seems to consider that it may work the other way round in spades.
If u watched that link I posted up thread TGT you will realize how very right you are. It is far beyond anything the sheltered Americans have to deal with. These people know absolutely nothing except what they are told from birth. Independent learning/thinking is impossible there, really quite fascinating in this day & age how such a small geographic area has maintained it's, uhhhh, ahem, dare I say for lack of a better term- "business plan". Obviously terrifying as well.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 16, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
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you wonder just how well N Korea would do in a war.
Apparently, artillery is their big dog. However, fixed artillery is actually a good target.
You wonder how long, until they are out of gas, food.
Whether their strategists know about logistics under fire.....you can move rifles and ammo, but you can't move artillery or tanks, or gas tankers.
The DMZ is filled with the worlds highest concentration of mines.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 16, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
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Humans have a lot more power than wisdom and if that equation gets any more skewed toward power, we won't have long before a grave reckoning
Peace
Karl
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 16, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
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Maybe the N. Koreans thought Rodman was Barrack..?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 16, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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you wonder just how well N Korea would do in a war.
The outcome a foregone conclusion.
The level of death, destruction and suffering?
Huge for both north and south.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 16, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
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Coz, like a twit said:
...Just, your... Fox news views of Iran, are surprising for an oil guy.
Most of the money guys in the business like Fox News, but I can assure you that I do NOT other than to see how ridiculous they are now and then. It isn't news. I have one friend who is a Republican. I forgive him.
My views of Iran are that, unlike N Korea, where the populace is as insane as their leaders, Iranians are not immune to the world, as seen in the uprising in 2009 when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was falsely re-elected. That uprising and the protests were put down with violence against the people. So the populace isn't as insane as the clerics.
Iran was actually a democracy until the Brits talked us into joining them in staging a coup which placed the brutal Shah in power. Yep. He was democratically elected and we replaced him with an evil Monarchy. Not the first time this stuff has bit us in the ass.
My guess is that Israel will toss the first nuke, or at the least airstrikes designed to take out their nuclear facilities, the main one of which is underground because Israel did the same thing to Syria long ago.
Iran is crazy because they have a religious non-secular supreme leadership and a corruptly placed President, who regularly makes inflaming remarks.
They don't measure up to the Israeli military or their nuclear arsenal. Any nuclear attack on Israel would more or less remove Iran from the face of the Earth.
Now what part of that is in line with Fox News or the right wing nutjobs who work there? Hell, the Christians freaking love Israel.
There are some crazy minded Jews in Israel, and the U.S. has paid a high price in the Middle East for supporting them unconditionally and covering their asses in the U.N. Security Council.
Now tell me what part of that I snitched from Fox News or the Koch Brothers or Glen Beck, who people in this country actually listen to.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 16, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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That N Korea video above is very similar to that documentary of the doctor who visited N Korea. I need to look up the name, but you can type North Korea into Netflix and get it.
They are living in full blown 1984.
wiki has a good page on North Korea and Iran.
As to that video, I've had coffee brewed with snow...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_korea
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Mar 16, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
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I wouldn't be surprised if the vid I posted was faked or altered...
...the British interpreter kinda spoiled it for me--should've had some Amerasian chica doing the voice-over ;-)
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 16, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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I was wondering if it was a correct translation or not as well. It is easy to get hoodwinked on that stuff. I should send it to a friend of mine whose wife is from S Korea. He was in the Air Force over there for a while.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Mar 16, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
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Americans are stupid fuking morons.
I was going to jump in here to save the North Koreans, but I see someone else is already handling it.
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Gene
climber
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Mar 16, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
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The video posted above is bogus.
g
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 17, 2013 - 12:54am PT
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"...but why can't Iran have nukes?"
Same reason felons can't have firearms ( legally ).
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Mar 17, 2013 - 02:37am PT
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Only Americans are stupid enough to go broke with any kind of foreign invasion or expansion drive. North Korea has no actual money and the idea that they would conduct an ongoing war/invasion is hilarious. Maybe lob a few nukes here or there but no actual war campaign is going to happen by any of these countries. There's too much to lose, and it's political suicide to whomever suggests it these days. I was told we were basically done policing the world as of Afghanistan, which by any definition has been a total bust. So this talk of war by other countries is just talk.
JL
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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The problem as I see it now John, is that a battle may be out of our hands this go round. We may be stuck with it, nay, drug into it against our will. South Koreas new President Park Geun-hye, has announced that she would retaliate in full if the North pulls any of their standard hijinks. Given that the N seems unable to change it's game plan which involves acting out like a child except people get killed....2 soldiers last year and over 20 injured by over 200 N Korean rounds when they shelled the island. The previous N Korea torpedo hijinks hit at least 1 S. Korea navy vessel, killing 46 S. Korean sailors. I see the sequence as:
1) Hijinks from NK
2) Significant response from SK (this has been mostly absent or very minimal in all of the former N.K hijinks),
3) US is automatically in when #2 occurs and N. Korea goes bat sh#t crazy in response to the S. Korean response.
We won't start it John, unless you consider an absence of discourse the cause. As far as an "invasion" goes. The vast quantity of various sized missiles poised to fly both ways would seem to indicate that there would be huge destruction on both sides before anyone actually crosses into the others territory.
"Only Americans are stupid enough to go broke with any kind of foreign invasion or expansion drive. North Korea has no actual money and the idea that they would conduct an ongoing war/invasion is hilarious. Maybe lob a few nukes here or there but no actual war campaign is going to happen by any of these countries. There's too much to lose, and it's political suicide to whomever suggests it these days. I was told we were basically done policing the world as of Afghanistan, which by any definition has been a total bust. So this talk of war by other countries is just talk.
JL "
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 17, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
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America is broke also...remember Iraq and Afghanistan...?
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