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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 13, 2013 - 02:25am PT
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Anyone traveled to Peru to go on an Ayahuasca retreat? Think I might take a trip, I'll write up a TR if I go!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Mar 13, 2013 - 08:25am PT
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No but they're common in Ecuador. The backpacker scene in South America is fun no matter what you do. There are shaman guys in Peru who cure illnesses etc for the tourists, and a lot of people speak Quecha instead of Spanish, so its not entirely fake. Also you will note coca tea in every tourist hotel. Fun to say you did, but I'd rather have coffee.
If you're going all the way to Peru you might as well climb something. I'm sure they expect tourists to just show up with no gear. In Ecuador I climbed Cotopaxi, total cost of $130 including transportation, guides, etc - I didnt even have a jacket. 20k ft elevation, a few small crevasse crossings, the last part was steep snow, and I nearly puked from altitude sickness on the way down. That was real climbing! No experience necessary. Not sure what the scene is in Peru but I'm sure you can do a fairly big alpine route with no planning at all.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Mar 13, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
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You don't need to go anywhere. Plenty of people doing sessions in LA, SF, and NYC (and probably every other major city). You might need to know the right people to get the 411, but it's fairly popular at the moment.
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Some Random Guy
climber
In a chair, drinkin' a beer, watchin' the show
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Mar 13, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
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^ yeah was just gonna make the same comment. if you do ur research you can obtain and even grow the plants that contain dmt and the harmala alkaloids ur self no prob. look into it. there is a certain brush plant native to cali that contains harmala and grows all over.
i thought about going to south america and doing this once but it never happened. now my thoughts about it are that is is just ethnobotanical tourism. like hiring a guide to climb everest.
be easier and cheaper to go to esalen at big sur.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 13, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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Hell, you can buy the ingredients online.
Warning: I am friends with a guy who is an expert on hallucinogens and their use by native cultures.
He tried it once and said it was the most psychotic and unpleasant experience of his life.
He has a scale. Peyote is mellow and Ayahuasca is ten. It doesn't sound like a thing you would do for fun.
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Some Random Guy
climber
In a chair, drinkin' a beer, watchin' the show
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Mar 13, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
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these days i'd be weary of ordering anything like that online. over the past 20 years the dea has really become aware of such things. of course back in the 90's, that was different.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Mar 13, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
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I've heard this is not stuff to take in a recreational form like shrooms or acid. Many people have had bad trips not being prepared. When used correctly it really helps people with addictions and other personal issues.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Black Rock City
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Mar 13, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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Ayahuasca is not a party experience. It is like 10 years of psychotherapy in 4-6 hours. It will take you into your darkest places and show them to you to teach you. It will also show you your truth.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 13, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
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It doesn't sound like a thing you would do for fun.
That is precisely one of Hancock's points. It's NOT recreational, but important in human history.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Mar 13, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
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I've been intrigued by reports of a' Lady' that appears to the individual in a mysterious personification. This 'Lady Ayahuasca" has appeared consistently to traditional practitioners as well as to the psychedelic tourists. Sometimes she is associated with spirit animals, I think more commonly snakes.
Intriguing.
This lady is also variously referred to as a grandma or a mother.
Here are two tourist accounts:
Richard: ‘After I saw grandma Ayahuasca passing by, I wasn’t able to make a Voyage into her world. Also, I felt very nauseous and I wanted to deal with that first, by envisioning that the brew was allowed to untie anything that I was allowed to let go of that afternoon. After that I was able to go into her world, it was something I really cannot describe. I went there with a Voyage-intention [awakening] which made it a little easier for me. All the time, there were dimensions which were completely alien and then I heard a voice saying ‘you can also stay here’. Yes, that was an option, but I really wanted to know whether there was something new after going through it. From the first moment I met my fear, I was fully confident that I could deal with it. Time after time I was pierced by sentinels from the matrix. At a certain moment I went after my fear of myself which made them retract. This lasted until all of a sudden I was at a place where I felt right at home, and where grandmas voice was very clear and pure.
Cristina: ‘Overwhelming, magical, loving, a rebirth. My experience was like a life lesson. I've asked mother (i call her mother because i felled her love and teaching like from a mother) Ayahuasca to show me the way, and she did. She made me understand were i did wrong until now in my life and how i can make it right. She let me see the world with other eyes. I am so happy and thankful to her. Erik and the team are to me like family, you all gave me so much.’
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Mar 13, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
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I'm sure it's like apples and pears, but the one time I tried DMT (albeit recreationally) I was scared out of my head.
First and last time, and I'm more experienced than the average tripper.
Good luck!
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Mar 14, 2013 - 12:21am PT
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Dont go to a "retreat", because at that point you are just taking someone elses trip. Do it alone at home, with a brew YOU made. Open yourself to the experience good or bad.
If you are afraiid or having a difficult experience, you underdosed or screwed up your mix
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Mar 14, 2013 - 10:41am PT
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Some interesting developments concerning TEDx and Graham Hancock speech about Ayahuasca
Graham Hancock
Urgent call for help against an attempt to censor my work.
I have received notification today that my recent 18-minute TEDx video presentation, “The War on Consciousness” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WaeMyC86Dw);, which has at time of writing received more than 132,000 views, is to be deleted from the TEDx website because what I say in that presentation allegedly “strays well beyond the realm of reasonable science”, and because I allegedly make “non-scientific and reckless” statements about psychotropic drugs. I am fighting these charges from TED’s Science Board which in my opinion are untrue and amount to nothing more than an ideologically driven attempt to censor my work. All the indications, however, are that my presentation will be deleted some time today. In order that what I said can be preserved, and that an independent record is maintained, I would ask internet-competent members of this community to download and save my presentation before it is deleted and lost forever. I do not know how to do this myself and my son Luke, who runs my Youtube channel for me, is today out of contact and I cannot reach him. Once again the URL for my presentation is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WaeMyC86Dw. Will someone kindly please save it in a form in which I can later re-upload it to my own Youtube channel (where it is presently only embedded, not independently uploaded). I don’t intend to allow this bizarre transgression of my freedom of speech on the part of an institution – TED – for which I once had the highest respect, to pass without a fight.
https://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamHancock/posts/10151551393237354
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