Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Mar 10, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
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Eco nuts need to learn math and how to properly apply it. They all too often undercut their own cause by either proposing "green" solutions that are vastly less efficient than what they are trying to replace, or by demanding things that are economically idiotic.
My favorite is getting plastic grocery bags banned, while not doing a thing to reduce the vastly greater amounts of plastic used in the packaging contained inside.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 10, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
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What an interesting idea, we all know how hot the AC is, a whole lot of energy indeed. Thanks for posting Phillo! Think of the thousands of square miles of highways, this could be a game changer.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Mar 10, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
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Um, Lockerman, where and when is that upcoming climbing trip to?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Mar 10, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
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Someone needs to alert the automobile industry that they are 20+ years behind all other tech industries...
...at least.
1984 Honda CRX: 50+ MPG and carbuerated--THIS CAR SHOULD BE FLYING ON HYDROGEN BY NOW !!!
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Mar 10, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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Yeah! Or sucking electricity from those en-solar-ated highways! Or sumpin'.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Mar 10, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
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My favorite is getting plastic grocery bags banned, while not doing a thing to reduce the vastly greater amounts of plastic used in the packaging contained inside.
At least the eco-nuts know how to get the ball rolling.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Mar 10, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
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Solar power roads..They would probably run about 2 million dollars per 100 feet of roadway...
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
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Yeah Ron lets maintain the status quo. Drill baby drill.
Pfffffft,
You don't see the benefits of the bigger picture.
If you lived in the 19th century you would no doubt demand we hunted all the whales to keep your whale oil lamp burning. It's the 21st century why not join it.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 10, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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Great!
CalTrans gets to run the power grid.
That's gonna work out well.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 10, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
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I had dinner last week with an old friend who was huge in the electric car
business technically speaking. He agreed that electric cars are unjustifiably
polluting in terms of making the batteries.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Mar 10, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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Plastic grocery bags that are cooked at high temperatures are proven to be the cheapest, most efficient hydrogen storage cells that out perform anything yet discovered...
...technology is stifled, and mankind suffers.
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john hansen
climber
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Mar 10, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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The ban on plastic bags just went into effect over here in Hawaii.
The reason we did it here is because they blow into the ocean and fish and turtles and other creatures either get tangled in them or ingest them. It was a bit of a hassel at first to remember your re usable bags, but after a while no big thing.
I have built three school buildings, with over 25,000 square ft combined , that are suppling all thier electricity with solar and selling the surplus back to the local utility. I would say the panels took up less then 50% of the roof space.
A lot of solar companies now offer leases where they put in the system for free, and then just charge you your normal monthly electric bill.
After a certian time,, like 7 years, you own the system.
The county building dept here , is overwhelmed with permits requesting solar panel installation's. This island only has 170,000 people but they are getting 30 or 40 applications for solar systems a week.
That is close to 2000 per year..
The hardest part of all this is to get the local utility companies to accept all this energy flowing back thru thier infastructure. They can make more , if they supply the power themselves.
Interesting times we live in...
20 % of our energy comes from a geo thermal plant here on the Big island.
Aloha
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Mar 10, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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Nice thread Philo. I'm so stoked to see what happens with tech over the next 10-15 years. Not only with solar, but also with medical. They are on the verge of so many breakthroughs right now - its really an exciting time.
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Mar 10, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
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thanks Philo, good stuff-seems like there is solutions out there for our problems, if we can just get these ideas implemented...
interesting info, John Hansen... a ban on plastic bags sounds like a great start, and it just forces people to change one little habit (bringing your own bags). In fact, I haven't been perfect on that one, and now I am going to bring my own reusable cloth bags from here on out... packing them in the car as we speak...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 10, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
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Did Locker ever answer the phone?
We'll see later, I suppose. It could be so awesome just to be there to find out.
What's the deal with a switch-over, Philo? Oil to diodes, I mean. I foresee War, Plague, Famine, and Disease: the horse's revenge, like. Worst case, though.
I figure about twenty million dead here in the USA (US of Automobiles)before they/you give up their/your death machines that run on dead animals and plants? More? More yet?
One thing, should the government see their/our way clear to implement glass roads, they/we then could put squads of those pesky homeless folks to work-Caltramps--with long-handled squeegees, baby strollers full of old newpapers, and Indian pumps full of Windex.
In a brief O.T. aside to Mr. Hansen (Aloha), can you tell us if on the high peaks above the treeline on the Big Island, are there any rodents living there resembling marmots? I've always wondered about that.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 10, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
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Solar is old tech too. The newest cutting edge tech is infrared band and it is embedded into stickers which can wirelessly transmit power! Very cool. Still in the labs, but imagine!! Any surface can be turned into a power cell!!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 11, 2013 - 12:09am PT
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Interesting thread.
I've had a particularly fascinating week or two, in the green arena.
First, a talk by the mayor of LA and former mayor of Toronto. Very interesting perspectives. Because Mayors are closer to the action, they often can do more than Gov's or Presidents. For example:
The US has not signed the Kyoto Protocol on the reduction of greenhouse gases.....but Los Angeles HAS, and has met the standards!
In fact, LA has accomplished some amazing things. It is using the same amount of water as it used 20 years ago, through good practices. It recycles/reuses/composts 75% of the trash stream, from it's baseline.
On friday, I attended an all day conference on "Cool Roofs", something increasing adopted by cities across the country....NYC is a leader in this.
Commercial replacements with cool roofs have a payback of 5 years.
New roofs basically cost little to nothing.
Or the new rage: White roofs. This is not voodoo, it is scientifically proven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrXehaDZts
http://whiteroofproject.org/how-we-can-curb-climate-change/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2hCCdMKMw
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 11, 2013 - 06:13am PT
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Philo,great post,there are so many better ways ,we will have to get there.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2013 - 06:44am PT
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That is the point, that there are better ways. Strange that some feel anything new and different should be denigrated in favor of a failed status quo. Fortunately he foolish will follow along with the future.
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