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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Mar 19, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
So far, we've documented one dead golden eagle.


Where's that?

Talk about the tip of an enormous iceberg.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
They will never produce more than a few thousand
Hmmm, not according this.
And check the dateline.


http://www.treehugger.com/cars/teslas-factory-reaches-20000-model-s-year-run-rate.html

Tesla Reaches 20,000 Unit Production Rate Annually for Model S
Michael Graham Richard
Transportation / Cars
January 30, 2013

© Tesla

Big Milestone

Tesla keeps proving the skeptics wrong. For years we've heard all kinds of arguments explaining why they couldn't possibly succeed, and why they wouldn't deliver what they promised, how the auto industry was too hard to break into, etc. From the first promo pics of the Tesla Roadster in July 2006 to now, every time Tesla hits a new milestone, the naysayers go something like: "Well, they did this thing, but they won't get to this next thing." So I'll be curious to see what they'll come up with now that its been revealed that Tesla's factory has now reached its goal of producing Model S electric sedans at a rate of 20,000 a year, or 400 a week.
This is a big deal because economies of scale; that is, the more you make of something, the less it costs you per unit because you can amortize your fixed costs over more products and you have more bargaining power with your suppliers. This is a big part of Tesla's strategy. It'll also help clear their backlog of orders, which have piled up to around 13,000-15,000, and promise faster deliveries to new customers (some people might be deciding against the Model S because of the long waiting lists).


© Tesla

Another change is that so far, Tesla has only been making the more expensive top-of-the-line 85kWh model. It will now have the production capacity to start making 60kWh models too, filling some of those orders.

The company is also working hard on the Model X release, which should happen in mid to late 2014. Automotive News reports:

The Model X development is undergoing the transformation from the functional initial prototype that was unveiled last year to a production-ready prototype. The company will be making final decisions on the interior and exterior dimensions of the car in the first quarter of 2013, Musk said in an interview.

A key part of the Model X will be its dual-motor all-wheel drive system, which Musk predicted would give the crossover "the best road handling of any car in the world." (source)

And after that the next step will be a new model based on a third platform, closer in size to a BMW 3 and with a price around 30,000-35,000. This should be released in 3-4 years, and could be a major breakthrough for electric cars in my opinion, especially if the Supercharger network of fast-charging stations that provide free power grows all around the country and the world.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Mar 19, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
Phil, I got to get up close and personal with one of those new Teslas here in Silicon Beach, sure charged my battery. Got to say, if I win the Mega Millions, I'm getting one.

Now, I wonder how much my payments would be if I trade in my 2000 Isuzu Rodeo........(which I hardly ever drive since I mostly walk, take the bus, or cruise in my wife's Hyundai).
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 19, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
Philo, you quote treehugger.com, I get my info from LA Times and The Economist.
You might find it hard to believe but we're actually on the same side here.
I just think it stinks to subsidize a rich man's car. And, like I said, the
car mags and LA Times, rather notoriously lefty most would agree, have not
reviewed the car's range in a good light.

And they are in serious financial straits although I'm sure Elon will pull
a rabbit, or at least some cash, out of his hat.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
I posted one of the first of millions of similar articles. Do I need to post more?
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tesla+production&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

The Tesla will not be a "rich mans" car. If it were how do you explain the sales and back orders?



Virtually all the so called "talking points" used by the nay-sayers of "Green" renewable energies are corporate propaganda created, promoted and paid for by the Koch Brothers. No vested interest there eh?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 19, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
$90,000 isn't a rich man's car? Man, I want to live in your world!

Tesla results renew worries about its long-term viability

Tesla posts revenue of $306 million, larger-than-expected loss

"In an New York Times article titled “Stalled out on Tesla’s Electric Highway,” reporter John Broder detailed a recent trip from suburban Washington to Connecticut in a Model S. The goal was to test the feasibility of a road trip by using Tesla’s new Supercharging stations in Delaware and Connecticut.

Yet Broder ran into difficulties with the car’s range, which were exacerbated by cold weather. After he left the car overnight without plugging it in, the Model S ended the trip on the back of a flatbed truck."


Review: Tesla's electric Model S is a truly competitive premium sedan

"The trouble is that repeated demonstrations of the car's prodigious power utterly destroy its range. Tesla says this model will go 300 miles on a single charge. The EPA puts that number at 265 miles. Over four days of testing the car, we managed only about 160 miles in heavy-footed driving.

All Model S's will charge through a 120V or 240V outlet. Tesla says the former needs roughly 46 hours to recharge fully, while the latter needs eight to 10 hours. Buyers can reduce these times by adding a second on-board charger for $1,500 and buying a high-power wall connector for $1,200."


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
Yes the original Tesla Poadster had a $90,000.00 sticker price.
The S and X models will be comparatively more affordable.
Much like the original HP hand held calculators cost many hundreds of dollars.
Once HP recovered their research and development costs the price point plummeted.
Same will occur with the Tesla.
In the future you won't have "charging stations. You will pull into the station and in the time it takes to fill a gas tank they will drop and replace the battery pack.


As much as I love two seater sports cars I am very excited about the upcoming Tesla X.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 19, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Well this question seems to indicate that you think that there is only one way to do things.

Not at all, infact it seams by your arguments: you think things should only be set up one way

What would be wrong with electric vehicles charged on solar energy? [\quote]

Nothing wrong with that, unless we must pay more.

Do we have to be enslaved to the internal combustion engine simply because it is the technology we have now? [\quote]

Not at all, but show me something better... by that I mean something that works better and thats cheaper.


As to your other question, grow up!

It's unfair to ask questions that one can't answer....

Dude- the bottom line for me is this: In a free market what works best will take over. Our government deciding winners/loosers will most likley give us a looser.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 19, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Philo, I don't harbor any animosity against Tesla and Elon is certainly one
smart cookie. I am just butt-hurt the guvmint didn't give me a loan for my
company. Hey, it was green, too. Well, some of the wood we got was pretty
green sometimes. But you catch my drift. Cheers and I'll keep y'all up on
my friend's Tesla, when she gets it. She's getting pretty antsy after
forking over a pile of cash lo these many months ago.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 19, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
The future could've been so awesome EVERY DANG DAY!

I predicted this...

:]
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
Unchecked Global climate change will kill more birds than wind mills will. And the cost of dealing with rising sea waters will dwarf the cost of infrastructure re-investment.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 19, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Unchecked Global climate change will kill more birds than wind mills will. And the cost of dealing with rising sea waters will dwarf the cost of infrastructure re-investment

Please site your sources.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Mar 19, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Dude-The bottom line for ME in this:In a free market what works best will take over.Our government deciding winners and losers will most likely give us a loser.
I suspect your right,446 billion to fossil fuel corporations has insured some losers.

Sounds like all the folks on horses balking at a heavily subsidized Henry Ford.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Get to the birds later. How about this for a start.

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Missing photo ID#294974
Climate change is bad news for fly fishermen and western aquatic ecosystems. A report finds that trout habitat is expected to decline by 58% by 2080 due to warming rivers and reduced streamflow caused by climate change.
http://tinyurl.com/cfsc2fj
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Mar 19, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
http://www.mlive.com/naias/index.ssf/2013/01/detroit_auto_show_volkswagen_u.html

This will be THE game changer,already on the road in europe for 2 years.It will be here next year.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=bird+deaths+from+global+climate+chamge&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Showing results for bird deaths from global climate change
About 5,720,000 results


Death from above: Chicago's bird casualties offer clues on climate ...
grist.org/.../death-from-above-chicagos-bird-casualties-offer-clues-on-climate -change/ - Cached

Jan 22, 2013 ... Death from above: Chicago's bird casualties offer clues on climate change ... or skeletons will, over time, give us cues about environmental change. ... Earlier in- migrations and later departures may be an indication of global ...
Climate Change Causing Bizarre Arctic Bird Deaths : TreeHugger
http://www.treehugger.com/.../climate-change-causing-bizarre-arctic-bird-deaths. html - Cached

Apr 7, 2010 ... A segment of bird deaths in the Arctic, he explained, are strange and, in a way, even comical. ... Climate Change Creating New Challenges ...
Myths & Facts About Wind Power - Media Matters for America
mediamatters.org/research/2012/05/25/myths-amp.../183968 - Cached

May 25, 2012 ... Clearly, bird deaths caused by wind turbines are a minute fraction of the ... The future for birds in a world of global climate change is particularly ...
Strange, Random Arctic Bird Deaths Caused By Climate Change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../strange-random-arctic-bir_n_529235.html - Cached

Apr 8, 2010 ... Strange, Random Arctic Bird Deaths Caused By Climate Change. First Posted: .... NRDC: Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice. Filed by ...

HowStuffWorks "Do wind turbines kill birds?"
science.howstuffworks.com/.../green.../wind-turbine-kill-birds.htm - Cached - Similar

And of all bird deaths, 30 percent are due to natural causes, like baby birds ..... time and energy protecting birds from global climate change causing evils as you ...
Bird Species and Climate Change - WWF
assets.panda.org/downloads/birdsclimatereportfinal.pdf - Cached - Similar

Bird Species and Climate Change: The Global Status Report. Climate Risk. Conclusive ...... have linked El Niño years with death of adult birds and reduced ...
Learn more about bird deaths | e! Science News
esciencenews.com/dictionary/bird.deaths - Cached

... about bird deaths. Science news articles about 'bird deaths'
Apocalypse now? Mystery bird deaths hit Louisiana | Science | The ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/.../apocalypse-mystery-bird-deaths-louisiana - Cached

Jan 4, 2011 ... New year fireworks may have caused Arkansas bird deaths ... global climate change," Melanie Driscoll, Audubon's director of bird conservation ...
Climate Change May Be Cause of Seabird Deaths
www-csgc.ucsd.edu/NEWSROOM/.../SeabirdDeaths.html - Cached - Similar

Apr 24, 2007... the result of climate change, a sort of regional footprint of the global warming trend. “I think the bird deaths relate to long-term climate-related ...
Massive bird deaths attributed "polution and climate change ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az...all... - Cached

Massive bird deaths attributed "polution and climate change. ... threats ranging from pollution and habitat loss to climate change. ... Massive comprehension fail attributed to global warming, pintobean, Jan-08-11 08:51 AM, #5 ...



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guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 19, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
So Philo....

When I was in college, all the data pointed to masive global cooling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like ... get your crampons sharp.

Science is always studying and some scientist are always looking to get some $$$$$$$$$$$

So you toss up some BS about 2080....

I say "Who the F knows"

Do you think that the Chineese and Indians are going to drive Teslas???

I bet they want Corvetts and Camaros and Mustangs and Hummers ...
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 19, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Do you think that the Chineese and Indians are going to drive Teslas???

They will drive whatever is cheaper, but you know that, don't you?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 19, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
I bet they want Corvetts and Camaros and Mustangs and Hummers ...

So is the possibility that "they want" sufficient reasoning to have them perpetuate an earth choking future? Oddly the Chinese Government is pursuing renewable green tech with alacrity. Perhaps they know something you don't.
And if we continue to pour our national treasury into the sand of the middle east endlessly pursuing a failed ideology the Chinese will leave US in the dust of 3rd world insignificance.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2013 - 04:53am PT
30
GE sees solar costing less than fossil power in 2017 (assuming we get there)
GE Sees Solar Cheaper Than Fossil Power in Five Years
By Brian Wingfield

Solar power may be cheaper than electricity generated by fossil fuels and nuclear reactors within three to five years because of innovations, said Mark M. Little, the global research director for General Electric Co. (GE)

“If we can get solar at 15 cents a kilowatt-hour or lower, which I’m hopeful that we will do, you’re going to have a lot of people that are going to want to have solar at home,” Little said yesterday in an interview in Bloomberg’s Washington office. The 2009 average U.S. retail rate per kilowatt-hour for electricity ranges from 6.1 cents in Wyoming to 18.1 cents in Connecticut, according to Energy Information Administration data released in April.

GE, based in Fairfield, Connecticut, announced in April that it had boosted the efficiency of thin-film solar panels to a record 12.8 percent. Improving efficiency, or the amount of sunlight converted to electricity, would help reduce the costs without relying on subsidies.

Read more.


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