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philo
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Mar 19, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
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Unchecked Global climate change will kill more birds than wind mills will. And the cost of dealing with rising sea waters will dwarf the cost of infrastructure re-investment.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 19, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
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Unchecked Global climate change will kill more birds than wind mills will. And the cost of dealing with rising sea waters will dwarf the cost of infrastructure re-investment
Please site your sources.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 19, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
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Dude-The bottom line for ME in this:In a free market what works best will take over.Our government deciding winners and losers will most likely give us a loser.
I suspect your right,446 billion to fossil fuel corporations has insured some losers.
Sounds like all the folks on horses balking at a heavily subsidized Henry Ford.
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philo
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Mar 19, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
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Get to the birds later. How about this for a start.
Climate change is bad news for fly fishermen and western aquatic ecosystems. A report finds that trout habitat is expected to decline by 58% by 2080 due to warming rivers and reduced streamflow caused by climate change.
http://tinyurl.com/cfsc2fj
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philo
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Mar 19, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
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http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=bird+deaths+from+global+climate+chamge&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Showing results for bird deaths from global climate change
About 5,720,000 results
Death from above: Chicago's bird casualties offer clues on climate ...
grist.org/.../death-from-above-chicagos-bird-casualties-offer-clues-on-climate -change/ - Cached
Jan 22, 2013 ... Death from above: Chicago's bird casualties offer clues on climate change ... or skeletons will, over time, give us cues about environmental change. ... Earlier in- migrations and later departures may be an indication of global ...
Climate Change Causing Bizarre Arctic Bird Deaths : TreeHugger
http://www.treehugger.com/.../climate-change-causing-bizarre-arctic-bird-deaths. html - Cached
Apr 7, 2010 ... A segment of bird deaths in the Arctic, he explained, are strange and, in a way, even comical. ... Climate Change Creating New Challenges ...
Myths & Facts About Wind Power - Media Matters for America
mediamatters.org/research/2012/05/25/myths-amp.../183968 - Cached
May 25, 2012 ... Clearly, bird deaths caused by wind turbines are a minute fraction of the ... The future for birds in a world of global climate change is particularly ...
Strange, Random Arctic Bird Deaths Caused By Climate Change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../strange-random-arctic-bir_n_529235.html - Cached
Apr 8, 2010 ... Strange, Random Arctic Bird Deaths Caused By Climate Change. First Posted: .... NRDC: Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice. Filed by ...
HowStuffWorks "Do wind turbines kill birds?"
science.howstuffworks.com/.../green.../wind-turbine-kill-birds.htm - Cached - Similar
And of all bird deaths, 30 percent are due to natural causes, like baby birds ..... time and energy protecting birds from global climate change causing evils as you ...
Bird Species and Climate Change - WWF
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Bird Species and Climate Change: The Global Status Report. Climate Risk. Conclusive ...... have linked El Niño years with death of adult birds and reduced ...
Learn more about bird deaths | e! Science News
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... about bird deaths. Science news articles about 'bird deaths'
Apocalypse now? Mystery bird deaths hit Louisiana | Science | The ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/.../apocalypse-mystery-bird-deaths-louisiana - Cached
Jan 4, 2011 ... New year fireworks may have caused Arkansas bird deaths ... global climate change," Melanie Driscoll, Audubon's director of bird conservation ...
Climate Change May Be Cause of Seabird Deaths
www-csgc.ucsd.edu/NEWSROOM/.../SeabirdDeaths.html - Cached - Similar
Apr 24, 2007... the result of climate change, a sort of regional footprint of the global warming trend. “I think the bird deaths relate to long-term climate-related ...
Massive bird deaths attributed "polution and climate change ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az...all... - Cached
Massive bird deaths attributed "polution and climate change. ... threats ranging from pollution and habitat loss to climate change. ... Massive comprehension fail attributed to global warming, pintobean, Jan-08-11 08:51 AM, #5 ...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 19, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
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So Philo....
When I was in college, all the data pointed to masive global cooling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like ... get your crampons sharp.
Science is always studying and some scientist are always looking to get some $$$$$$$$$$$
So you toss up some BS about 2080....
I say "Who the F knows"
Do you think that the Chineese and Indians are going to drive Teslas???
I bet they want Corvetts and Camaros and Mustangs and Hummers ...
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philo
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Mar 19, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
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I bet they want Corvetts and Camaros and Mustangs and Hummers ...
So is the possibility that "they want" sufficient reasoning to have them perpetuate an earth choking future? Oddly the Chinese Government is pursuing renewable green tech with alacrity. Perhaps they know something you don't.
And if we continue to pour our national treasury into the sand of the middle east endlessly pursuing a failed ideology the Chinese will leave US in the dust of 3rd world insignificance.
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philo
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Mar 20, 2013 - 04:53am PT
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GE sees solar costing less than fossil power in 2017 (assuming we get there)
GE Sees Solar Cheaper Than Fossil Power in Five Years
By Brian Wingfield
Solar power may be cheaper than electricity generated by fossil fuels and nuclear reactors within three to five years because of innovations, said Mark M. Little, the global research director for General Electric Co. (GE)
“If we can get solar at 15 cents a kilowatt-hour or lower, which I’m hopeful that we will do, you’re going to have a lot of people that are going to want to have solar at home,” Little said yesterday in an interview in Bloomberg’s Washington office. The 2009 average U.S. retail rate per kilowatt-hour for electricity ranges from 6.1 cents in Wyoming to 18.1 cents in Connecticut, according to Energy Information Administration data released in April.
GE, based in Fairfield, Connecticut, announced in April that it had boosted the efficiency of thin-film solar panels to a record 12.8 percent. Improving efficiency, or the amount of sunlight converted to electricity, would help reduce the costs without relying on subsidies.
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Germany is the world leader in installed solar photovoltaic panels — and they also just shut down seven of their oldest nuclear reactors. Coincidence? Maaaaybe … Anyway, it’s worth noting that just today, total power output of Germany’s installed solar PV panels hit 12.1 GW — greater than the total power output (10 GW) of Japan’s entire 6-reactor nuclear power plant.
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http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/05/ge-sees-solar-costing-less-than-fossil-power-in-2017-assuming-we-get-there/
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Mar 20, 2013 - 08:23am PT
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want some documented murdered birds Gary,,
here ya go:
Ron,
Thanks for the link. But as indicated in that article. steps can and are being taken that will reduce those numbers.
And I'd much rather see windmills around my climbing area than that dark brown ring in the air that used to en circle Los Angeles.
In the early '80s if you couldn't hike in the San Gabriels without choking on it. Seriously, you'd draw a deep breath and start coughing.
That ring is gone now. And it's not the result of market forces, it was the evil gubmint that gave us air we can actually breathe.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 20, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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You dreamers keep on dreaming....
one day all will be Unicorns, Rainbows and Luckey Charms...
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philo
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Mar 20, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Guyman you come across as a spoiled teen of limited intellect and no vision.
That's OK, you can keep your eyes closed and your head in the sand the future will also benefit you in spite of yourself.
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philo
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Mar 21, 2013 - 01:12am PT
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philo
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Mar 21, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
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Lima, Peru is one of the driest cities on earth. So, a billboard that creates water out of thin air is a refreshing message of hope.
http://tinyurl.com/cgbageo
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 21, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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Guyman you come across as a spoiled teen of limited intellect and no vision.
That's OK, you can keep your eyes closed and your head in the sand the future will also benefit you in spite of yourself.
Whatever Dude....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 21, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
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That's what I love about SuperTopo - when polemics fail name-calling is the
option of first resort.
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philo
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Mar 21, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
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Whatever Dude?
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philo
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Mar 22, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
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From biomass to biofuel to biochar, Cool Planet is addressing climate change by transforming the fuel production process. They have developed a carbon negative fuel cycle that permanently removes CO2 from the atmosphere by sequestering it in biochar, which is an amazing soil amendment for agriculture.
http://www.coolplanet.com/home
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 22, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
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From Vermont to Ithaca to Buffalo,Bio Fuels and their production are taking off,there are plenty of jobs within that cycle.Carbon neutrality is possible,and it is not expensive.
True Progressives over here,not weekend liberals.
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