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Clarke Brogger
Mountain climber
Laguna Beach, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 7, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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I'm at the climbing gym 2-4 times a week. On my non-climbing days I want to workout to cross train to improve my climbing. I really like mountain athlete bu cant really afford it. any other suggestions?
Thanks!
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Oh! Cross training.
I thought it said choss training . . .
Never mind
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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TRX - endless iterations & all you need is a door, tree limb or roof rack.
And trail running, because it's FUN!
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Michelle
Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Don't use the cheater stick on the gas pump...
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Locker, you are doin it all wrong! Lol - ^^
Richard Simmons is for n00bs!!!!
Edit- party of the pounds!!! Hahaha
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Running. Did someone already think of that? I'm trying to keep my pace at 7:00 min miles then build mileage.
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Clarke Brogger
Mountain climber
Laguna Beach, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
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You guys are mean. :)
How long and how frequently do u have to run to be in adequate shape for the sierra season?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 26, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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I would run lots of volume, low impact. If you are unable to run faster than an 8-8:30 pace, do fartleks 3 times a week. Listen to your body and joints and make changes if things are hurting.
Depending on a zillion factors you can be good to go in 3 weeks or 4 months, but if you are a "5.10" climber I would say 4-6 weeks of off and on running, slowly increasing to 30-40 miles per week would make you an uber fit mountain athlete. Just remember lots of food and lots of rest, and lots of rock climbing so you don't metabolize all those hard-to-get muscles...
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Clarke Brogger
Mountain climber
Laguna Beach, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2013 - 03:12am PT
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TGT, let's go?!?
Thanks, I know Rob Miller. Stud. Will check that.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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P90X works for Mark Hudon
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 30, 2016 - 07:20am PT
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When I guided in the Tetons in the 70's I had a number of urban dwelling clients who blew their horns concerning their marathon training and the marathons they had run.
Good, I thought, I can pick up the pace on the long uphill approaches and get back early. Nope, they invariably cratered going uphill.
Moral of the story.....you need to go uphill. I fast hike uphill in the San Juans for conditioning. I try for a minimum of 2,500 vertical at altitude.
I sometimes hike with people who go on about their spining and crossfit classes and I don't see obvious positive results.
The closer fit you have with the actual activity, the better the results..
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Dec 30, 2016 - 08:14am PT
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The closer fit you have with the actual activity, the better the results..
I'm a believer of the above and to me cross training works more as a mental/physical relief from whatever activities are my actual endeavors. Also, I need the gym to keep the joints in shape and fit so I can get after my endeavors and hopefully improve and go further with them. As I get older it matters more to me and my body, maybe it is that I haven't stopped wondering...Do what you dig and what is necessary to feed that worm!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Released into general population, Idaho
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Dec 30, 2016 - 08:36am PT
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Training to climb is like climbing to train
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 30, 2016 - 09:06am PT
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Donini has it down. I also use to guide and found that to be true. Running a marathon doesn't train you to walk uphill with a pack, uphill with a pack will train you for that. My little brother has been running marathons lately, sometimes back to back on weekends, and wants to start trail running those distances. In order to do that, he started doing marathons with weight (he carried 26 lbs on one) and running shorter trail sections to develop that.
Still in answer to the first question, anything is better than nothing. Even finding some stairs and walking up and down them will help out.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Dec 30, 2016 - 03:59pm PT
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prancing on the flats is worthless
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Dec 30, 2016 - 04:18pm PT
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Cross Training
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 30, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
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donini nails it. The Tetons kicked my arse.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 30, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
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I personally find sea level running to be less helpful than focused weight training on the legs. Do sets of squats holding a kettlebell or other weight between your legs. I do sets of 30 with a 53lb bell. It has improved my mountain performance more than running ever did. I always thought mountain conditioning was all about cardio, not so sure anymore. Curious to hear other experiences.
Maybe I never ran far enough or fast enough, but I am with Donini, gotta do the hills to pump the legs, squats seem to simulate hill climbing. Great workout for skiing too.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 30, 2016 - 06:53pm PT
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I usually get pretty CROSS when I train.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Dec 31, 2016 - 03:47am PT
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The closer fit you have with the actual activity, the better the results..
I must agree with Donini!
Scarpelli and I go at least twice a week to do a 700' vertical mountain side climb/hike out north of Blair. As there is snow now we carry/use ski poles but otherwise when bare, I make use of its boulder fields, hopping upward at one foot plant per boulder top non stop. Doing this is explosive single leg power training not to mention the balance training. This activity keeps your leg drive explosive strength strong for climbing.
Bob says this totally beats running stairs at the Stadium?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Dec 31, 2016 - 09:28am PT
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It helps to really enjoy whatever activity you are utilizing as training for climbing. For long stretches the alternate activities may have to substitute for climbing due to location and work.
Know what balance of power, strength, and endurance works best for you.
Do your climbing muscles and tendons need active recovery or time off?
Do you need to balance out any overuse issues that originated from climbing, especially if you climb in a gym extensively?
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Dec 31, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
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Find your weaknesses and develop them to a decent functional degree. Marathon distance maybe not that useful for the hours needed to get good. A solid time for a vertical km probably better.
Crossfit applies better when you do half the intensity and triple the sets.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 31, 2016 - 09:50pm PT
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99% of climbing is finger strength in proportion to body weight.
Yeah, well the other 99% is technique, and the third 99% is mental.
I've seen ripped guys with hands of steel who can't climb 5.11 because they don't understand how to. Simple as that. Of course if a climber is gifted with technique and mental power, then your statement carries more truth.
I'll never forget the day up at Courtright Reservoir (at Trapper Dome). A really fit, strong guy who obviously trained a lot for climbing had done several good routes on the face. Then he tried "Millions of Dead Cops". He failed again and again.
Scott Loomis, author of the route, was sitting at the base in the shade of a big tree. Finally the guy lowered off. He confronted Scott.
"You're a goddamn sandbagger. I can climb .10c! That is no .10c!!"
He stood there, veins bulging. Scott looked up at him quizzically. "It's a technical move, I can't help it if you don't know how to climb."
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