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T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 6, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
Having recently started climbing again after 30 yrs. off and with the season getting closer I decided to start exercising to get into better shape.This is something I never did BITD, training was never fun for me and I climbed for fun and trained by climbing.
All went well for about a week, dropped 5 lbs. so far by changing my diet,started taking power walks, doin push ups, pull ups, sit ups, planks, squats, stretching etc..
Then when I woke up this morning and tried to get out of bed
my back protested painfully, had to make a mantle move on the edge of the bed to straighten up my back. Popped a vitamin I and took a hot shower to take the edge off but still quite uncomfortable. I've had back issues before that had me down for about a week. I didn't feel a pop or strain
while workin out yesterday and it does not feel like a muscle issue.
Hope I didn't fuk it up too bad, time will tell.
Tad

darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
Yikes, hope you start feeling better soon!

Sounds like a strain/sprain issue, could be a little of everything: muscle and joint capsule issues, joint restriction issues... But of course I'm shootin' from the hip, so take that with a grain of salt! Get it checked out by your local sports-oriented chiropractor and they will fix you! And get you back in the game!


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Geezeers Tad! Training?? Holy shizzle id better get with it! Take 3 hits o grandaddy purp and call me in da mornin...
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Training?? Holy shizzle id better get with it!

Or maybe not, 1 step up, 3 steps down in my case.
.
Hey Ron, can ya come tie my shoes for me?
Even wiping my ass was painful but I won't ask for help with that. LOL
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
i can make ya a "stick clip" for that second issue!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
BOTH you and Maureen need to get into some yoga :-)
telemon01

Trad climber
Montana
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:07pm PT

sounds like weak abs- keep working your core and take a daily ice bath:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2085422/Soaking-in-ice-cold-water
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
I once tweaked (uh, strained) my psoas muscle bouldering in the gym. It was excruciatingly painful and I walked with a limp for a week!!

If you're inclined, try to torture yourself with an ice bath. Heinous, but effective at reducing inflammation.
John M

climber
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
Some kind of stretching program is vital if you are going to be exercising. Your body was naturally flexible when you are young, so exercising mildly wouldn't really cause problems, but as you age you become less naturally flexible and so you need to help your body. If your exercising has caused you to be unbalanced in one or more muscle groups, ie strong bicep but weak triceps then that can cause problems. The spine is especially vulnerable to unbalanced muscle groups.

Yoga with a good teacher would be best because you can mess yourself up pretty bad if you stretch improperly. Overstretching or unbalanced stretching can cause such things as loose joints which become vulnerable to injury. So having someone teach you and watch you so that you don't develop bad habits can be very helpful. Some folks like the pd90x programs because it has one tape that is devoted to stretching. I have done it and it is fairly well rounded, but he doesn't really teach you what you need to do to protect the back. He just runs you through the stretches and if you understand how to do them and how to protect yourself, then it is good. But a beginner really needs better instruction. Not that its rocket science. Its not. But there are things that can cause damage, and there are ways to avoid them and books and pictures don't make certain that you have it correct.

Anusara Yoga is particularly aimed at your kind of problems.

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
Are you doing a lot of situps and crunches?

Check this out:

no-more-sit-ups/
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
hey there say, Thocking... oh my...

well, of course, by now you have seen what many folks are sharing:

as we are older, we can't just 'hop into it'...

slow, gradually increasing, but only after one step is done with ease...

the spine and not balances muscles is good advice to work with too:
it must be all in in sync... and you MAY have stuff that is out of
sync, that you don't even know of...

so take NEW care, now... and don't push hard... it is will come, safer
for the long haul, if you work with your body 'as if new to all this stuff'...

god bless, hope you feel better soon...

plus:
if you HAVE any bad disc, or any other thing that you are unaware that have slowly 'gone down hill' over the years, THIS new push COULD
do damage.... :O
don't want that to happen...
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Mar 6, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
Kris! Thanks for that link to your info. I will definately take a close look at it soon (after the taxes are done!).
phyl
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 6, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
It's a new site. There will be a lot more there as time goes by...

edit: And please heed the warning on the download: "People with spinal disc problems should consult a doctor or physical therapist before doing this,
or any, spinal flexion exercise."
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Mar 6, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
Tad

If the problem is muscle spasms, there is magic available. A thing called the Theracane does an incredible job getting rid of both acute and chronic muscle spasms.

Looks like a sex toy for midgets, and is about as low-tech as it's possible to get. Costs $25 or $30, lasts forever, and actually works. (theracane.com, or look it up on amazon)

On the other hand, if your problem is something other than muscles knotting up, maybe you'd permanently cripple yourself if you used a theracane. Or, in other words, if you do what I suggest... Yur gonna die!

But I've used it successfully, and I know other who have as well.
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 6, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Ruling out any "serious stuff" like disc problems, the best thing for most episodes of back pain is a chiropractic adjustment. It realigns the "offending" vertebrae and as a side effect, the surrounding muscles can relax and begin to heal. Shooting from the hip once again, but more than likely these muscles are currently in spasm trying to protect the misaligned vertebrae in your case.

This misalignment is called a subluxation. Most back pain (generated by muscle spasm or strain) is coupled with subluxation. However, not all subluxations are coupled with pain...

I can provide you with a referral for a solid chiropractor in your area if you'd like.

I hate to see people suffering without the awareness that chiropractic will help!

PS: Thera canes are LEGIT
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 6, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2079402/Sending-Big-Mike-some-good-vibes
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Tami beat me to it. Yoga! It will improve your core strength.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 8, 2013 - 01:34am PT
hows the back Tad?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Mar 8, 2013 - 01:42am PT
Sorry for your pain. Tami's right, yoga great for flexibility, start with a low key class. Not the power yoga stuff.

But your problem goes across the board age wise. I work with great young dudes in their 20's that deal with muscle strains, knots, back shizzle etc.

One thing I learned by watching Dan was, do not over train. Repeat, do not over train. Listen to your bod. It loves you and knows best. Enjoy the sport and supplement it with appropriate workout. I don't think many of us that post here are going to be 5.14 magazine cover peeps and we don't need to train like them. Cheers, lynne
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2013 - 09:08am PT
hows the back Tad?
Still painfull but not as bad as day 1.
I've had issues (herniated discs) in the past, gonna give it a week and reevaluate.
Many yoga advocates around the campfire both for my injury and my wifes
big "change". May have to look into that for both of us, what is a good easy yoga type to look in to?

Thanks y'all,
Tad
Maysho

climber
Soda Springs, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 10:11am PT
Hang in there Tad! I will look you up when next going to Burney, sometime later this spring...There are some cool moderates you would enjoy...and it would be great to have you join us!

Peter
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 11:55am PT
So funny, every time I've ever mentioned chiropractic to climbers, the conversation turns to YOGA. Like every time. Which is cool, but...

Yoga can't correct structural problems. Chiropractic is superior to yoga for the prevention and alleviation of back pain. Because chiropractic corrects the underlying structural problems.

Once your spine is in proper alignment and you're generally pain free, you can start to get the benefits from yoga. It's not a treatment for back pain, however.

locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:00pm PT

May well have been those "Sit ups"...

Not a real good exercise for the BACK...



My suggestion is before you attempt it again, that you do some research first for PROPER exercises...

Also, that you don't be in a hurry to the hospital...

Meaning go for the SLOW gain...

Don't bust it out for the CRUX!!!...


;-)

locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:02pm PT

"Yoga can't correct structural problems."...


Neither can a Chiropractor...




"Chiropractic corrects the underlying structural problems."...



No it doesn't...




;-)



darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Hmmm....you're wrong about that! Chiropractic delivers the goods.

Why else would the Medical Director of the Olympics be a CHIROPRACTOR?

Google away...

Please feel free to edit that post whenever you realize the error of your ways...
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:14pm PT

"Please feel free to edit that post whenever you realize the error of your ways..."...


NEVER going to happen!!!...

There are no "Errors of my ways" here...

They do nothing more than a decent massage...

No REAL medical (Other than psychological) benifit...



Quack, quack!!!...

;-)




EDITED:

"Google away..."...

Resources on the internet make MANY claims...

I'll bet there are even a few that say "GOD" is real...

:-)



darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Hey, I don't tell you about resoling shoes... Because I don't know a damn thing about it...

So don't tell me (and others) about my profession, because apparently you don't know very much about it either...

And you aren't willing to learn, which is fine...They call that "close-mindedness"!

Check and see how many professional athletes make chiropractic a regular part of their life.

I thought you were cool, locker, thought you were cool...
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:31pm PT

Credit: locker
...

;-)




EDITED:

"Hey, I don't tell you about resoling shoes... Because I don't know a damn thing about it..."...


I could teach a Monkey to do it in a quick afternoon...

So there's HOPE for you, yet!!!...

:-)

Daphne

Trad climber
Black Rock City
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Kris, your website is awesome! You really are pulling it all together there.

Yoga is great, but it all depends on the teacher. I've had some teachers that teach yoga like it is an aerobic exercise. It's not, it requires a deep inquiry into the felt experience of the structures of the body. A forward bend may look the same but a correct forward bend will feel very different than just rolling over toward your feet. Someone up thread mentioned Anusara yoga-- that is a kind of yoga that emphasizes form and attention to energy. Anusara would be an excellent place to start.

And chiropractic is awesome. I love my chiropractor, but I find the older I get (50) the more I need both structural correction and soft-tissue correction. I am working now with an amazing physical therapist who has shown me the root of some of my chronic issues.

In summary (some day I will learn to shorten my sentences) as we get older we need a stable of helpers to keep our bodies able to do our sports. I miss my younger days when I could do it all myself, but I had to realize, those days are gone. Get help and let it be ok to do so. You will regain your full function and feel better than you ever have.

darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Ugh, I hate that I'm so

TROLLABLE!!!!

You got me GUD...

I've only been practicing for one year so I haven't developed that THICK SKIN for when people do the "duck onomatopoeia thing"!!! They say it takes a couple of years to get that...
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Mar 8, 2013 - 04:09pm PT


"Ugh, I hate that I'm so

TROLLABLE!!!!

You got me GUD..."
...



LOL!!!...

I used a SHARP hook...

;-)



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 8, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
I go to a chirocracker occasionally and always feel better after. I've had acupuncture before, with some pretty awesome results as far as pain relief and sinus pressure relief. But as soon as "they" start claiming it can cure chronic conditions (like my food allergies) I find someone else. I gave 2 people the go ahead to "cure" my food allergies and I saw NO improvement after 6 months. Their response: "well, you have to WANT to be cured."

locker is right, a bunch of bs claims out there related to alternative medicine. Find what works and do it.


TH, I have found that if I do situps without doing the reverse motion (roman chair, back extensions, whatever) my back janks out and I can't walk after about a week. If I balance side crunches, crunches, and the back extensions my back is fine... and I become incredibly sexy to boot!
duncan

climber
London, UK
Mar 8, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
darkmagus (fine username), nearly all of this is wrong.

Point by point:

"... the best thing for most episodes of back pain is a chiropractic adjustment."

Not better than Osteopathy or Physiotherapy/Physical Therapy: UKBEAM 2004 http://www.bmj.com/content/329/7479/1377 (a large well-conducted randomised controlled trial). Manipulation / high-velocity thrust / 'adjustment' is an effective treatment for some spinal pain but no professional group has a monopoly on these techniques. I'm happy to have my spine manipulated if it aches and manipulate others' if it seems appropriate.

"It realigns the "offending" vertebrae and as a side effect, the surrounding muscles can relax and begin to heal. Shooting from the hip once again, but more than likely these muscles are currently in spasm trying to protect the misaligned vertebrae in your case."

"This misalignment is called a subluxation. Most back pain (generated by muscle spasm or strain) is coupled with subluxation. However, not all subluxations are coupled with pain..."

There is no such thing as a vertebral subluxation or vertebra that is 'misaligned' and can be 'corrected' or 'adjusted' by manipulation. Manipulation is good for pain relief but it doesn't change the position of the bones of your spine nor change they way the bones move.

It is not totally understood how manipulation works, however there is good neurophysiological evidence that provide much of the explanation without needing to resort to pseudoscience nonsense.

As a more general point, diagnosing and offering treatment advice from the tiny amount of information the original poster has provided is doubtful at best and downright hazardous at worst.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Hang in there Tad! I will look you up when next going to Burney, sometime later this spring...There are some cool moderates you would enjoy...and it would be great to have you join us!

Peter

Thanks Peter that would be cool and an honor to climb with you guys.
I've been meaning to get up there since it's only like 20 min. from home.
I'll give you a shout when we go to Toms Thumb next, I think you'd enjoy
a day up there. Mostly single pitch face climbing up to .11
Hope this back issue is just a bump in the road and not something serious.

To the rest of you,
Thanks for the suggestions and recommendations but I didn't mean to start an arguement over the pros and cons of chiropractic, yoga, traditional medicine, etc., I have nothing against any of those approaches, what ever
works best for you roll with it!

Peace Supertopians,
Tad
gonamok

climber
dont make me come over there
Mar 8, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
Dude, when you get old you can yank a muscle sharpening your pencil. It aint right....
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 15, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Update,
Back is feeling better, pain gone just a little sketchy.
Gonna start my power walks again, rethink the aggressive old school exercising. Ksolem's page may help.
Tad
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