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Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Mar 5, 2013 - 08:30am PT
How come nobody ever talks about male menopause?

It one of those "shame" things isn't it?
The Warbler

the edge of America
Mar 5, 2013 - 10:32am PT
Why isn't it called menopause for men and womenopause for women?

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 5, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Good lord, 44 posts and not one single useful comment?

#1 thing for anyone over 50 to check if things seem out of whack is your thyroid function. Blood test will give you an idea, but if you are borderline, you can only go by the way you feel. Kinda sucky.

I spent 2 years of hell, blaming it all on menopause, when it was hypothyroidism. And all I have to take to fix it is a kelp tab with every meal (which I frequently forget)and 500 mg L-Tyrosine when I wake up. The damn synthetic drugs they put me on made me feel like I was on speed. L-Tyrosine is cheap too, $15 bucks for 100 of them?

Hot Flashes;
Red Clover and Black Cohosh. Works wonders. Again, not expensive, not drugs. I use the NOW foods formula.
Keep a glass or bottle of ice water around, down a bunch at first sign of a hot flash, usually stops them cold.

Progesterone Cream. Again, not expensive. If the cost is more than $15, yer payin too much! I stopped it for a couple of years, but started back on it after doing some research. Seems to help.

I also take the Rainbow Light multi vits for women over 50. Amazing, and their whole foods green calcium supplement has things active older women need. Made a HUGE difference on my JMT hike.

The gluten thing? A bunch of crap in my book. It's a GMO thing, or too much processed foods period thing, for most people. And since most wheat is GMO, well, there ya go. Stop eating fake, soft breads and only eat hard, sprouted, whole grain breads, with no GMO's.
Try that first before you frustrate the hell out of some chef when you request "gluten free". Most of them know what I'm talkin 'bout!
Me thinks it's too much gluten from GMO sources. (Or too much anti bacterial soap, killing off the little buggers in our guts that deal with excess waste.)

I'll stop now.

And Fuq U too ;->


Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Mar 5, 2013 - 11:10am PT
I've sent a private message.

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2013 - 11:12am PT
Actually there has been some useful suggestions that we have received via
e-mail and on thread.

Much love to all you ladies that shared valuable beta on a topic that some "men" are uncomfortable with and joke about.

And for those of you that flame or joke about this topic being in a climbing forum, rage on brothers, it was expected and we can take it all in fun.

Thanks ladies, you rock!
Tad & Mo
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 5, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Wake Up Calls! Round two at Noon...

Don't stop till you've had enough...

Me no pause till I've had some rough...

Boom-chicka-boom, chicka-boom-boom-boom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
This is one of my wife's areas of expertise, and I don't mean experientially.
She's quite the proponent of hormones. That homeopathic stuff? Not so much.
But if you think it is working for you then great. Every body and mind
are different, to a point. There is a ton of good info on the web on reputable
websites that aren't hard to find.

I'm trying to think of something offensive to merit a Fuk Q but I can't.
Can I get an F just for thinking of one?

A long way from where I started
Mar 5, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Fuk U, Reilly.

There. Feel better now?

Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Mar 5, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
The Fukk-Q-to-post ratio on this thread is beyond the pale and it's not even 60 posts old.

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 5, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
"That homeopathic stuff" Is called medicine. Been in use for thousands of years.
Def works better for ME than synthetic, fake, chemically reproduced in a lab poison. Which is how I'm left feeling after listening to Dr's. and taking the drugs they prescribe.
Hell even taking suggested doses of Ibu for more than 4 days in a row makes me depressed and cranky, feeling poisoned.
Synthroid felt like meth to me!

Menopause is a natural occurrence in a woman's life. Is taking chemicals to trick the body into thinking it is still fertile really healthy in the long run?

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Thanks, Ghost. It isn't the same as a heartfelt Tami version but it is a
gud start to the day.

I guess I just got a de facto one. Woot!
hossjulia, the trouble with the homeopathic stuff is that it is almost wholly
un-tested. It would be illegal for my wife to even suggest to someone
that they use some of that 'stuff'. But, like I said, if it floats yer boat...

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 5, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Well, that's flat out un true, most of what is in common use has been tested extensively. In lab's. By professionals. There is scientific proof.

My own MD suggested Red Clover for hot flashes, and gave me a referral to a homeopath. pffftt


Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Mar 5, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
The gluten thing? A bunch of crap in my book.

Yeah. . . the PROCESSED gluten free foods are HIDDIE!

But. . . going "GlutenFree" has completely changed my life.



Again. . . for anybody with any doubts - READ THIS:

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Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Hey, sorry I'm so late to the Fuh-Kew fest but I've been absent.

First and foremost, there is so much conflicting research and opinion in this area that even "experts" have differing opinions on what is safe and effective.

Personally, I'd never go to see a "family doctor" for this kind of thing. Most communites have docs and NPs who specialize in menopausal women's health and they will be able to customize a solution that is specific to your wife's history.

Like Reilly's wife, I am a fan of bio-identical hormones, and have used them for the past 15 years, initially just progesterone cream, and post-menopausally, beta-estradiol cream or gel. The only time I had symptoms was before I started my progesterone, and for the 1.5 years when I was going through meopause, before I started on my estradiol. I feel so much better with the HRT (no brain fuzz, loads of energy!), that I have no incentive to go off the HRT, despite the small but real risks of using it.

I re-evaluate my HRT regimen annually when I see my (female) gynecologist, where we discuss the latest research on risk/benefit of long term HRT.

Best of luck, Phyl

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Mar 5, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
to clarify, "my MD" is a gyno and specializes in menopause. She does not recommend HRT (birth control pills). Bio-identical hormones, yes.

Just goes to prove, EVERY one is different.

Social climber
Mar 5, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
^^^^ Yup, but my own private idaho is YOGA ^^^^^^6

The wake-up-at-night stuff is hard. But I work eves so typically can get a bit of a sleep-in so am not tired.

I think good physical fitness is a key to easing through this but I'm sure it's different fer every woman's body. I sure feel bad for my girlfriends going through epics with this stuff. Yikes. My heart attack is no big deal in comparison with years of feeling tired or crazy. Dang.

Thanks, folks, for keepin' up the Fuh Q's to those in need. Reilly check yer ST email ;-D Snicker haw haw. Chortle.

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
Some herbal remedies can be effective and have been studied, like Black Cohosh:

Our unerring faith in technology (in this case embodied in faith in pharmaceuticals) is disturbing, because most people don't have a clue as to the pharmacokinetics of the herbs that they reject NOR those of the man-made pharmaceuticals that they for some reason prefer...

(Sometimes they're the same, or very similar...) ;-)

Damn good marketing though...well played, pharmaceutical companies, well played...

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Mar 5, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Julia, you point out something valuable to be aware of. Birth control pills are often progestin plus ethinyl estradiol (both chemically stabilized compounds related to the biological hormones), which I also wouldn't use for this purpose. Some people may prescribe them as HRT, and some people still prescribe Provera (containing a complex of estrogen compounds purified from mare's urine) as HRT, but I am referring to bio-idential hormones used for HRT. I prefer skin formulations because there is some data which shows that oral formulations even of bio-identical hormones could have some counterproductive effects due to "first pass" through the liver considerations.

(I'm pretty familiar with all the chemistry of the compounds, natural and synthetic, and the medical literature. I did research in this exact area for a few years when I was working at a pharmaceutical company and I still follow the original papers that come out as it's a matter of personal interest to me. So I'm kind of a geek about this topic!!)

I'm glad you found something that works for you, I'm not discounting it. It's another valid option. That is why I am suggesting she see a specialist. Risk and benefit needs to be considered on a per patient basis...
Hugs, Phyl

Santa Monica, CA
Mar 6, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
Tad - I sent you guys an e mail directly. Kudos to you for being mature enough to ask.

Hey, to you dim bulbs who can't figure out why any of us would talk about something like this here - FUK Q! Go exhibit your immaturity somewhere else like the BOOBS thread.

Mar 6, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
Go exhibit your immaturity somewhere else like the BOOBS thread.
we can't some crazee %$#@H nuked it
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