How did chalk become politcally correct?

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Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Mar 6, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Cracks me up how it makes a lot of people chomp and stamp, foam at the mouth, the veins pop out and their face turn red when you bring up the issue, but chalk is trash. It is visual defacement of the rock. More in some places, less in others. Then all the diversionary and straw man arguments come out.

Doesn't mean I'm morally superior for not using it, doesn't mean I haven't use it a lot (to the elbows; loved those Strawberry Mountain bags), doesn't mean chalking isn't fun, doesn't mean I might not use a little some time in the future. But, it is littering and it is an environmental and possible access issue. And, other than a very circumscribed kind of use, is not good outdoor ethics.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Cracks me up that you assume others are chomping, stomping, and foaming just because they disagree with what you THINK is a valid argument against using chalk.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Mar 6, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
That cracks me up!
Credit: Mark Force
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 6, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Cracks me up how it makes a lot of people chomp and stamp, foam at the mouth, the veins pop out and their face turn red when you bring up the issue, but chalk is trash

Oh my . . . I didn't think it showed! I'm so embarrased.


;>)
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Mar 6, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
Very nice sense of humor, Mr. Gill, but you most definitely fit in the more civil and reasonable category.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 6, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
"...most commercial gyms and fitness clubs ban the use of weightlifting chalk."

http://skinnybulkup.com/weight-lifting-chalk/

Two things: I've always been and always will be against using chalk on climbing routes. Boulders and smallish crags, I tend to ignore it, it's useless to rail.

I would shoot the first person I see with colored chalk. And piss on his grave. That's not gonna ever happen, right? Don't tell me.

ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
I was out of town and came back to (mostly) a thoughtful discussion of the subject. Yes, there were a few flames and barbs, but at least it wasn't about politics, guns or boobs :-) Sorry if I offended anyone for starting a thread about something that is, depending on your point of view, not so easy to hang on to. Cheers!
ruppell

climber
Mar 7, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
Thanks to jogill and Rgold for stepping up to the plate and giving the history of chalk use in climbing. I still have tons of respect for both of you chalkers. lol I'd like to leave this thread with a quote from Micheal Reardon that has stuck with me since the first time I heard it.

"Onsight, barefoot, chalkless, soloing is climbing. Everything else is a compromise."
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Mar 7, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Chalk was ok.

However it gave me pause when I first saw someone with a toothbrush dangling from their tool belt scrubbing holds on the way up.
J Q

Social climber
Boulder, Co
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
If only. If ever there were a group think delusion of mythic proportions, this is it.

Yep, pretty much every "ethic" in climbing is a good example of group think reaching mythic proportions, including yours.

patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
Chalk is only acceptable to climbers, to everyone else it is an eyesore.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
There is no limit to the human ability to rationalize (and yes, I include myself).
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 6, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
These guys have a way of framing an argument persuasively.






1975 Chouinard Equipment catalog.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 26, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Bump for a bag of birdsh#t...
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
May 26, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
When I first started climbinig in 1970 (high school), Phil Gleason and Phil Haney (Gill proteges) used to carry a block of chalk around in a tupperwear container. Richard Harrison and I got a ditty bag and cut a hole in it and strung it on a shoulder sling, and this moved to our waist, lashed there with hero loop (1/4 inch) webbing, and finally, accessory cord cinched with a square knot.

We were carrying those chalk bags on routes as early as 1971 out at Josh and up in Idyllwild. Bud Couch was also using a chalk bag at that time if I remember correctly. Owing to the dearth of climbers back then, the chalk build-up never got too grave save for places like Stony Point. And man, it got ugly out there!

I think there should be periodic efforts to clean that sh#t up.

JL
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
May 26, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Yep, I always do a bit of brushing when I'm out at Gunsmoke . . .
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 26, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
What could possibly be the problem?
What could possibly be the problem?
Credit: healyje
jogill

climber
Colorado
May 26, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
The problem is not the chalk but too many climbers!!


;>)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 26, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Personally, I like it and think it should stay


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 26, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
The problem with it is that, while climbers are quite homogeneous, rock types vary considerable. The result of chalk use on slick, white granite or the stuff at Devils Lake is one thing; on Southern sandstone it is quite another.
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