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ruppell
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Feb 20, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
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I reckon it was a hidden cam triggered by movement or a remote anyway.
No way. The camera moves during the course of the video. It was handheld for sure.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
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who cares about chipping? unless you never pounded a pin or drilled/clipped a bolt you really have no room to talk.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
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The vid was made after many attempts to stop the chipping. It's lame to blame the filmer. The public exposure is the next step.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
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unless you never pounded a pin or drilled/clipped a bolt you really have no room to talk.
More bullsh#t.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
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ever drill a bolt?^
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
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who cares about chipping? unless you never pounded a pin or drilled/clipped a bolt you really have no room to talk.
If two things are similar, they are the same.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
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It sounds like they'd been looking to find out who the local chipper was for a long time, and wanted to nail him on video.
I wouldn't go confronting a big strong guy in the woods with a hammer in his hand. I think their tactic will ultimately be successful in showering opprobrium on the chipper, even if that boulder had to take a few extra hits.
Can't wait to hear the Duane Raleigh take: is this the right guy doing it the right way, or just an artless poser?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
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Yep, I've drilled bolts.
It is WAY different than pulling out a set of chisels and a 5lb sledge to MAKE holds because you can't climb what is there.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
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You whip out a hammer, you become a "manufacturer" of holds--pretty simple, really.
Artificial climbing is just that...
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
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kinda like bolts, you couldn't climb it without them.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
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The link provided shows the video. There is an article that accompanies it; http://www.dpmclimbing.com/articles/view/just-cleaning.
I can't tell whether it is Ivan or not. He normally wears glasses and it would seem a bit strange to take them off while banging on chisels.
Ivan is a really good boulderer and led the charge that brought the Gunks out of the bouldering doldrums it had languished in for a decade or more. It would be really sad if, after opening so many eyes to the possibilities all around, he would turn to manufacturing routes as he aged, and I for one hope it isn't true.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
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What if the camera man was a women?
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ruppell
climber
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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What if the camera man was a women?
Then it would be camerawoman. Jeez was that so hard. lol
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
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He normally wears glasses and it would seem a bit strange to take them off while banging on chisels.
Not if you're worried about rock chips flying into your expensive glasses.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
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easiest thing would be to just go erase the problem with a chisel...
its already chipped anyway
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MisterE
Social climber
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
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Werner has a good point. The hat IS the same. It does look like Ivan. Fishfinder is right: what if it WAS a woman filming? Or even someone who didn't want to get beat up and have their camera smashed or taken by an angry scofflaw?
I just went to his FB and pulled this off of it:
I am seriously thinking it is Ivan, but draw your own conclusions.
That is messed up, IMO - but justify it however you wish.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
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People who think there is any comparative justification or rationale of any kind for this behavior are completely lost.
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Trad climber
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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Does anybody really think its not Ivan? And no the filmer is not as guilty as the chipper.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 20, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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Every body is a saint with no ego ?
When was that ever even the issue? The dude smashed the fuk out of a boulder problem... and probably more. It has nothing to do with anybody else being a saint or having an ego.
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