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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 20, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
http://news.yahoo.com/video/monster-goldfish-breeding-lake-tahoe-064642553.html
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Feb 20, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
;-(

Just a matter of time untill we are done.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
The last two fisheries biologists for the Basin, and good friends of mine, told me about those over the last 5 years. I've even seen pictures!

BUT to be sure...

we will have to ask Rong if he has seen any on his species identifying fish finder.

Otherwise, how do we know it isn't part of the grand Obama-TRPA conspiracy!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
idiot
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
So, you're ok with invasive fish?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
No, this is what's known as someone who doesn't know jack sh#t about sh#t insisting they understand ecology better than those who have spent their lives studying it.

But whatever, Rong isn't in charge of anything (thank god), so he can continue blathering on and nothing will ever come of his uneducated opinion.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
I went to a carp fish fry that featured carp (whitefish) caught in the Boise River back in the 70s. Those people knew what they were doing and it was pretty damn good - have not forgotten.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
Well there you have it... another government conspiracy confirmed by a sponsored sport fisherman.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
If you don't like the policies of TRPA go change them, otherwise you are just whining.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Feb 20, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
That researcher chick is cute.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 20, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Not so stupid, Ron. They eventually got it right. with community approval. The northern pike in Davis Lake was cleared out in 2007, with thousands of gallons of rotenone in a drawn down lake.

You forgot to mention that. Not surprising considering your goobermint hate.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
As far as I know, the LCT is the only threatened native species in LT.

Now, you tell me what "MOST LIKELY" means... hint, it doesn't mean you just pulled it out of your ass because it sounds truthy and supports what you already believe, despite studies that show otherwise.

Those are MOST LIKELY ALL bait fish
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
Yes, but Kokanee are pretty.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Yep, trout are voracious predators.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Feb 20, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
Are Kokanee Salmon introduced? I don't think so, but I am not sure.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Yes, they were introduced. They've been in the lake for 50 or so years, but they don't seem to be hurting anything, so they are left alone. Plus they feed the bears.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
...and chub and some suckers and some dace and some others.

Yes, Lake Tahoe has a bunch of invasive species, some doing WAY more damage to the native fish populations and ecosystem than others.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Feb 20, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Live & learn. I always thought they were native.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 20, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
wouldn't want to hurt those native black bass either!
the czar

climber
meyers, ca.
Feb 21, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Mmmm. i kinda want some sushi now, but its so early...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 10:53am PT
hahaha, my house up here is my 3rd home... dumb ass.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 21, 2013 - 11:00am PT
LOL!

WTF is WTF so angry about?
bjj

climber
beyond the sun
Feb 21, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Holy shitballs! That's amazing. WTF @ the one from France?! That CAN NOT be real. Looks like it weighs 25 lbs!

Maybe I shouldn't have dumped my aquarium into the water on the beach at hurricane bay when I moved away in '99

Sorry! My Bad!
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Feb 21, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Nice Ron, tfpu.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
THOSE populations are thousands of times greater than any warm water fish that leave the keys to wander in near by shallows.

Ron, glad to see you are doing some reading. Tell me, where do the LCT spawn? What time of year? And what species are hanging around those areas during that time... eating all the new fry?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 21, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Damn! With this title I was hoping for a Godzilla thread.

So,.. if they are so good to eat why do you call them crappie?
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Feb 21, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
I blame Obama and the Republicans for this one. Its errbodys fault.
ruppell

climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
Ron

Can we not mention Kirman or Poole. LOL I don't know whether introducing cutties is the real issue or not. That lake used to receive almost zero fishing pressure. Now it's packed every time I head up there. I've only been fishing it for the past 8 years so I can only imagine how good it was back in the day. I personally like the stocking of the cutties and hope that they will one day offer fish as large if not larger than the brooks. I'm sure you know this but keep in mind those brookies wouldn't be there either if someone hadn't stocked them. Do you know any of the history on when and who introduced them? Either way those lakes up in that area are great places to fish.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
Now, that lake isnt nearly what it used to be, and those GIANT brookies are far and few between now.

Clearly due to management and not the fact that the human population of CA has doubled. We'd still have huge fishes is it weren't for that meddling guberment.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
yeah, never been there... don't give a fuk about the place. it is out of my jurisdiction. but I'm confident it is all the guberment's fault.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
Maybe overfished by ignorant as#@&%es who didn;t catch and release? You know the ones, they like to eat wild stuff, but it is more likely to be thrown out after being wrapped in newspaper in their freezer for a year.
ruppell

climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
atchafalatio,,youve no idea of what we released there

LMAO. I see what you did there. Nice.

And no one uses newspaper anymore. Ziplocks are the new thing. What are you 80?
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
Ron, not sure why you thought that post was directed to you. Do you fish?

atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
Cool. You could use some of these in tahoe to get rid of the goldfish...
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
East Delta, near Hog and Beaver Sloughs on the Moke.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Thanks, hard to believe, but we caught about 30 to 40 that day from 3 to 12 pounds, all on flyrods. Every cast was another pig. Birds were diving on baitballs. The arms were worked. The only thing that stopped us was darkness. Those things eat 3 to 4 pound fish!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 21, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Story just made NBC evening news.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
That's only because Obama controls the liberal media.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
8 and 9 weights feel like they will snap.
Sorry for the thread drift.
Cheers,
Crackslayer

Trad climber
Eldo
Feb 21, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
This is what happens when you flush fish down the toilet. No but, seriously? This is news...Giant goldfish live everywhere. I've seen some pretty big goldfish in ponds and marshes. I've also seen huge turtles and other invasive species that are thriving. I used to raise big goldfish in aquaponic systems. They are great fish to use but not really as a food source. Talapia other fish are better but goldfish are really easy to take care of.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 21, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Crappie: "CRAW"ppie,, knott "CRAP"pie..;-)

It depends how big they are.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Maybe the sushi restaurants around the lake should start serving some of the more edible invasives.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
Some of you don't seem to realize the importance of protecting Lake Tahoe... as the LARGEST and CLEANEST source of water for thousands of miles... the largest lake in the Sierra... and uphill of major cities and agricultural areas... like the Central Valley, you know, the area that supplies the country with the majority of fruits and vegetables. It ain't just a fishing spot... it is one of the most important natural resources in the west.
jstan

climber
Feb 21, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Somebody PM me when WTF stops holding back.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Feb 21, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
Golden trout ever been introduced to L Tahoe? Fun to catch. Like a little gold bar that swims.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 01:32am PT
Tahoe doesn't drain into the central valley last I checked.

And the Owens Valley doesn't drain into the LA basin. Nor does the Feather.

)*(
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 22, 2013 - 01:43am PT
07:53am PT
Mmmm. i kinda want some sushi now, but its so early...

agreed
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 22, 2013 - 02:10am PT
Pretty big goldfish.

from http://www.kcra.com/news/-/11797728/18991232/-/u25jv2/-/index.html

Researchers are finding a growing number of giant goldfish in Lake Tahoe and they are questioning the ecological impact they could have on the lake

Christine Ngai of the University of Nevada, Reno, was among the researchers who found the first goldfish during a survey of invasive fish in the lake.
grover

climber
Northern Mexico
Feb 22, 2013 - 02:27am PT

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/guy-fieri/tex-wasabis-koi-fish-tacos-recipe/index.html

Your welcome






Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 22, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
All bureaucracies eventually become self-serving and next-to-useless, no matter
their lofty initial goals and mandates.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 22, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
move everybody down to clear lake, let them enjoy that algae infested stink pond,

tahoe needs a few 1000ft turnovers, kill them goldfish quicker than a hatchet,
The Call Of K2 Lou

climber
Squamish
Feb 22, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
When will Obama release the photos of his "giant gold-fishing" trip? Why is he using chemtrails to create these biological abominations?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
I get a kick out of people telling me which way Lake Tahoe water flows... lolz for sure. As if natural drainage networks mean anything for future water distribution in CA. But can any of you tell me which way the money flows? Hint, lots of federal land being sold to private developers down around Vegas. Lots of money from those sales being pumped into scientific research to keep Tahoe blue. I'm sure when Vegas gets desperate for water they will make us an offer we can't refuse... and if there was any connection to Vegas.

I'm glad TRPA exists. I can't imagine what a shithole this place would have become if development went unchecked since its formation in 1969. I wonder what the cultural and political scene around the Lake was like back then.

Until the end of civilization... cheers!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
Why didn't you tell them?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
OMG, you are so insightful. I never realized I was part of the problem. My oh my, what ever will I do now?

The only logical solution seems to be stop studying the natural processes of the place, revert back to that groundbreaking used tire based restoration standards of the 70s, and let the Bay area folks just enjoy their weekend vacation spots in peace.

I'm so glad you people figured out everything that needed to be figured out decades ago. If only the dumb scientists would have just taken your word for it.

As soon as I learn Spanish I will move down to Carson. Thanks Ron.


(Yes, TRPA is a pain in the ass. So are taxes, stop signs, and all those other pesky rools we have to live by. It just isn't fair! I'd rather have a lake full of algae and motor oil than have to deal with their crap!)
abrams

Sport climber
Feb 22, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
who has a recipe for deep fry cajun goldfish? Hungry!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Ron, man the fuk up and email that cute little researcher. Ask HER why they are making the claims they are making. Maybe the news will interview you in a piece that exposes the cover up... Goldfish Gate. You can tell them how you know everything about everything from timber management to aquatic ecology and you learned it all using your species identifying fish finder.

Or... you can just sit there and act like you already know everything and everyone else is a dipsh#t... it works for me.

The KEYS has always been a special fishing spot.

No it hasn't. It didn't even exit until the 60s. Half a century is nowhere near ALWAYS.


Invasive fish, such as the goldfish, are gathered and removed from the water. Ngai said the program will look to filet invasive fish and donate them to local food banks.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
find out shyt

I'm sure that's the case more often than not.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Did Ngai claim she "discovered" anything? Or did the news? Are you passing judgement on a researcher you have never met based on her research you will never read? Then applying that to every other researcher out there? Sounds kinda hedgey to me.

Face it, if you knew half the sh#t you claim to know you would be making a positive contribution to the world. Instead you are stuffing dead things and blaming all the worlds problems on whatever source you disagree with.

A group of researchers from Davis, the University of Nevada at Reno, and the fish and wildlife departments of both California and Nevada were the first to study the presence of goldfish in Lake Tahoe, beginning an annual survey in 2006.

They knew they were there before the study, otherwise they would not have developed a study to look at the impacts. Do you already know what impacts they have on the native fish, algae, water quality, etc? If so, contact her... I'm sure she could find some money in her budget for useful information.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Here's one... no need to read the whole thing or try to understand, just read the title.

"People carrying assault weapons pose a clear and present danger to others"
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 22, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Hey Ron ,those were nice brookies you showed earlier.Did you know that they are an invasive species in your western habitat,introduced from that government you dislike.just sayin,those er big brookies
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
You know, I should have realized that this would turn into a pissing match between Ron and Wes.

Anything involving nature in that area causes you two to argue. You're both very stubborn.

Carry on.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Yeah, it sucks always having to set that old goat straight. But hey, I learned some things about guns, so I figure I should return the favor.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
You took the last one?!?!?!

I wonder if their decline has anything to do with the 150 foot drop in lake level over the last few decades. Nah, probably has something to do with Obama and poor management from TRPA.

Good thing we aren't studying the impacts of upstream water allocation. Stoopid government thinking they know how to balance the water needs of society and the environment. Really the best action for conservation is no action at all.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 22, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
just think Ron,we throw browns and rainbows out like chubs when we are brook trout fishing,mink gotta eat just like we do.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 22, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
^^^^Of course it sucks - between the bears eating yo peanut butter and the smell of fish sh#t in the air - the place just plain sux!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Never mind the LACK of snow nowdays.

Damn you TRPA! They've even altered the data, making it look like 1924-1978 were even drier!


Never mind that is the end of that river, therefore will always be the first to go in drying times.

Is that so? The first to go? Really? Because people who study hydrology know drought susceptibility is usually inversely correlated with contributing area. Sorry... "the bigger the watershed area, the less susceptible to drought." A terminal lake has the largest contributing area in the basin... by definition. It has to do with the fact that water flows down hill, draining high elevations first and pooling in lower elevations. I'm not saying it won't dry out first, I'm just saying the fact that it is at the end of the river is NOT the reason.

Want the rest of the story...

nah, I'm not much for fairy tales.


The TRPA doesn't hastle EdgeWood or Cal Trans the real culprits

Yes they do... and yes they are.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 22, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
DMT,i dont know how it could suck a high school friend lived there since 79 ,he just sold his place for 1/2 a million.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
Oh, it sucks, trust me. In fact, it sucks even worse to visit up here. Trust me. Everyone is way better off staying in the bay area.


TRPA is stopping us from doing what we want to do on our property... but they are also stopping our neighbors from expanding their house.

It is funny when you follow your post with "Hopefully The whiners as well as the last of our retched species will have been long gone."
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 22, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
I quess i was sayin ,somebody wants to be there.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
I'm in grad school, of course I'm miserable. Especially when I'm in front of a computer. IRL I'm one of the nicest, most pleasant people I know.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Dingus always cracks me up!

I've made it a point to balance my edumukashun with job experience. I have 12 years of ed and 8 years of professional experience. By the time I drop dead in 4 years I should be even stephen. Getting a job will be beautiful.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 22, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
one person generality=all fish the same
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
The worst part is you refuse to budge in your uneducated OPINIONS. As far as I can tell, one of two things are going on with you:

1) You know quite a bit. In which case, you are lazy sod who contributes very little of your potential to this world. What a shame.

2) What you think you know is in fact only what you believe and it is a fuzzy reflection of reality. In which case your contributions to the world of taxidermy are appreciated.



...among the researchers who found the first goldfish during a survey of invasive fish in the lake.

It doesn't say ever, does it? My buddy helped with the proposal that got their funding. He was always spewing about the huge gold fish in the keys. They obviously knew about them because they wrote a fuking grant to study them!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
Shit! I had something really profound to say in reply, but it's Friday night and I'm stoned as a mofo.

Say something intelligent!!
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 22, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
all they have to do is bring in a bus load of po folks like me and that fish problem would disappear overnight,

bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Feb 22, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
The asian carp invasion in Illinois and Indiana is for real. The Corps is trying like hell to keep them out of the Great Lakes but it's only a matter of time.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

One good way to solve a lot of problems at Lake Tahoe is to raze the Keys and return that area as best we can to its natural state. What a fuggin' disaster.
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
what aboot the well preserved bodies down there?
John M

climber
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Ron.. you are quoting a news story to prove that the researchers are stupid. Think about it. a news story. How often do news stories get it wrong? Eh.. Like Wes said, they wrote a grant proposal to study the problem. so obviously they knew about the goldfish in advance of the study. So when the news report said first goldfish found, they either got it wrong, or they didn't mean the first goldfish ever found, but the first one found during that study.

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
I remember that all the goldfish my kid had eventually croaked from some fuzzy white sh#t that turned them into puffballs.

Find out what that fuzzy sh#t was and lets clear the lake of these overgrown guppies of satan!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
One good way to solve a lot of problems at Lake Tahoe is to raze the Keys and return that area as best we can to its natural state. What a fuggin' disaster.

Absolutely!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 23, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
Dear Ron, I appreciate your experience based OPINION, but I ain't your bitch. You've seen it, you splain it to them... or stop whining about how scientists are wrong about everything.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 23, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Your sh#t ain't science bud, it is YOUR opinion and YOUR experience. It is up to you to explain it. Man up! Don't let the fact that she is a little hottie intimidate you.

If you have any questions about the study methods, statistics, etc. I'd be happy to translate those for you... but no way I'm going to try to translate your subjective experience, presented as universal truth, to other scientists.

And no, I'm not the one whining about wasting money on science when they could just ask some old dude... or whining about TRPA... or whining about a news article claiming a discovery when clearly others had already made enough observations to justify getting a grant for more in depth research... that's you. I whine about your insistence that you know what you are talking about yet consistently misinterpret 90% of the information... which is fine, as long as you aren't the one calling the shots regarding resource management.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 24, 2013 - 02:26am PT
That's silly Ron... there ain't enough money to fund such studies in other lakes... just in Tahoe... you know, the LARGEST alpine lake in N.America... with over 120 million acre feet of fresh water... the most critical natural resource in the west... with 15x the amount of land that the entire Central Valley Water Project irrigates... over 3x the municipal water needs of the entire state of California. Stoopid scientists studying irrelevant sh#t.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 24, 2013 - 08:59am PT
Ron... do you HAVE to play the same role in every single f*#king thread?

(ignorant fundamentalist conservative)


We have a non-native beetle destroying our californian forests, it isn't a bad idea to study the impact of introducing non-native wildlife that run amok.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Well, this turned into a really stupid thread.

Ron, you're a f*#king brick wall. You're right and you always know it. If you'd listen to what people were saying to you sometimes, you might not be arguing with people as often. Did you ever think of that?

Of course not, because anything you say is correct, and should be taken as gospel.

The world doesn't work that way, dude.

Wes is just as bad, but at least the guy can cite references and stuff. And admits that he's simply stirring the pot.

You though, nobody can tell you anything without you feeling the need to argue a point. There are two types of people, in my opinion. There are those who see problems, and there are those who see solutions. You appear to be the former, rather than the latter.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Just constructive criticism Ron. Don't get all butt hurt, you seem like a good guy.

And really, the age card? I'm an intelligent mid-thirties man. I ain't old, but I ain't young, either.

Also, don't get me going about respect for my elders. Just because I disagree, doesn't make me disrespectful.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 24, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Isn't Ron an invasive species?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 24, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
No one said you didn't have a right to an opinion. Everyone's got one.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 24, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
no need to worry until these guys move in.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
Crystal peak out of Verdi? That is indeed a special spot.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 24, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Seriously Ron, man up and write a letter. Tell those stoopid scientists what they are missing!

I'm not a fish person anymore and I have never fished in Lake Tahoe. Back in 5th grade my favorite shirt read "Wold's Greatest Fisherman." Yes, even back then I KNEW I was the best at everything I tried! I learned to fly fish at 5 (you should have seen the rig we came up with!) and I tied flies every night with my pa, but there ain't much diversity in Utah trout creeks... book, rainbow, German brown... some cutthroats in some of the reservoirs... caught a few bass, bluegill, perch in some of the warmer southern lakes.. but sitting on a boat was boring as shit! We went fishing at least every other weekend when the weather allowed and in the summer we would do 5 day backpacking trips living primarily off of fish. Turns out, I'm allergic to fish. What I thought was exhaustion from a day of hiking miles on the rivers was just mild(?) anaphylaxis. My fishing career ended after my second emergency room visit when I was 11... but I digress.

Anyway, I'm a scientist now. Science requires answering testable hypothesis. You have some in your rants about how much more you know about the world than everyone else, but they need to be teased out so they make sense and none of them have been tested with proper methods. You might be able to get those dumb scientists to test them for you with a simple letter. Maybe they will bestow you with an honorary degree... you could take it to the shooting range and impress all your buddies.. by blowing it to bits!

Here's a start (remember, scientists like numbers, so use them when you can):



Dear ignorant researchers (you can play with that until it accurately conveys your message of indignation),

I have recently seen news reports about warm water fish invading Lake Tahoe. I have been fishing Lake Tahoe for (number) years and I can assure you warm water fish, including gold fish, have been there for at least (number) years. I have known fishermen to use gold fish as bait for at least (number) years, often discarding the remaining fish into the lake at the end of the day. This seems like a far more likely source of these invasive fish than "emptying aquariums."


From the news reports (insert the actual news report if you can... that's called "referencing your source") it appears you are stumped by the behavior of bass during the colder winter months. From my experience bass in the keys simply sink into the thickest cover available for the winter- tules, cat tails and any other aquatic weeds can be used mostly for balance in a hibernation mode. There they will lay in a dormancy of a sort, only taking in a small meal every few days as their metabolism is all but shut down by water temps and ice overs. Just like they do in mason valley NV as it too freezes over yet the fish remain year after year. (they can test this)

As long as there is oxygen the fish will survive until the water warms into the low 50s and their activity picks up. Based on an 8 year study i did on LMB, crappie and bluegill at Mason valley (again, cite where they can find details of this study so they can go back and look at what you actually did), they will spawn any where from 55 to 65 plus degrees- depending on the water and clarity. In any given pond largemouth will tend to eat a good 70% of their own offspring before they reach four inches in length. (they can test this, if they haven't already... I think they probably have, but I'm sure they would love to read about your 8 year study)

As for the fish you have lost radio contact with, look in either a mackinaw or a pelicans body. Perhaps a heron gutted it, or a Fisherman caught it and filleted the bass. Theres thirty pound macks in the lake- the same ones that ended the LCTs in the lake after being planted in the 1800s. You can easily test this hypothesis by slaughtering them all until you find the transmitters.

This news report (cite it) claimed a "new number one predator" when talking about bass, which made me laugh.. since MACKS are the numba UNO..Followed closely by browns..Only in the keys are bass a predator- other wise you probably wonder why in the hell they wandered out of the keys to begin with! (this is also testable, but I suspect if they made the claim, especially in any scientific article/report/conference, they have the data to back it up. if the claim was made by the news story, proceeded by "possible" or "potential" or similar word then talk to the news folks about that.)


We will have to work on the last bit as it won't make much sense to anyone sober... much less a scientists, regardless of how many drinks they've had.




Sorry to ruin your thread Brandon.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 24, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
I like pointing out when Ron is being an obstinate old goat... but I don't like ruining other people's threads. Especially Brandon's.. he seems like such a nice YOUNG fella.
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Feb 24, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
Ruined? who are you guys kidding? this has definitely been one of the good ones lately. Keep it rolling.....

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
Giant Goldfish in Tahoe
$100 a plate at Stateline.
Garibaldi - I used to catch these surf-fishing in Laguna Beach.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
Crayfish traps arrived today. Can't wait to suck some head butter.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
The latest clarity study revealed today that Tahoe is clearer TODAY,, than in has been in 22 years.. Nearly seventy five feet of clarity..


THANKS TRPA!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
Thank you SCIENCE for giving us an alternative to people who believe in species identifying fish finders.

http://terc.ucdavis.edu/stateofthelake/StateOfTheLake2011_Chapter9.pdf


And isnt all these studies, attempting to "blame" clarity problems in Tahoe on a few wandering warm water species sounding even more ridiculous at this juncture? Isnt the idea of eradicating the keys of its treasured fish a bit questionable at this juncture?

Your lack of understanding is astounding.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 15, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/science/earth/algae-blooms-threaten-lake-erie.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 15, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
This won the River Ranch snow sculpture contest this year.

labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Report: Asian carp may have reached Great Lakes

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-asian-carp-may-reached-145352235.html;_ylt=AwrNUbJsBV5R0mgAO1DQtDMD

;-(
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
My friend who suffers from Yellow Fever nearly died when I told him Tahoe was being invaded by Asia clams.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 4, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
http://moonshineink.com/sections/spot-news/saga-quagga

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