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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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I hiked through Rattlesnake Canyon a few days ago, and I was appalled to see the tagging up there. And the trash. People can be such pigs...
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strangeday
Trad climber
Brea ca.
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So the trail to streetcar/gunsmoke is still open?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Looks like it is. From the article linked in the OP:
Physical access to the dam will be closed from 130 feet upstream to 180 feet downstream of the dam to protect it from continued damage. The closure, which does not include any portion of the popular Barker Dam Trail...
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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These types of vandals are probably the same kids in school who could barely put a pencil to paper and scribble incoherent sentences but they suddenly get an urge to write something in stone. Unbelievable.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Just to add something on a brighter note, residents of Joshua Tree way back before any two week limits were around, left their marks on the rocks as well...
If you are one of the few people who knows where this is, don't disclose the location please...
I'll just say it's out of reach of modern day taggers.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Perhaps true, but not if we can clean them away now.
Similarly, during the Facelift we are told not to disturb trash which appears to be 50 years old or more. That doesn't mean we should leave the plastic water bottles and chip bags we find, which we know are recent....
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Bad Climber
climber
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Anyone been to High Desert/Horseman's Center lately? Tons of graffiti and some a-holes used it for a paint ball battle. Frekin' idiots!
BAd
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 10, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
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The upstream side of the dam with all the graffiti would be inaccessible if the park service fixed the leak that developed a couple of years ago in the base of the dam.
All it would take is a few hours and a couple of sacks of hydraulic cement, but the claim is a full engineering study would be needed to prove its seismic safety. Even though the lower portion has stood since 1900, survived plenty of large earthquakes, 112 years of summer monsoons and there's nothing but yuccas and sand down stream.
Another brilliant example of your Federal bureaucracy at work.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 10, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
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"Another brilliant example of your Federal bureaucracy at work."
Yeah, that stoopid Dam and the rest of the Park would be faaaaar better off in private, corporate hands.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 10, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
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TGT, do you know what a false equivalency is?
Equivocating the state of a privately-owned property that's probably owned by an individual with plenty of $ with a piece of public land that has precious little funding due to constant budget whittling by Repugs....that's a pretty good example of one.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Feb 10, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
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When you say prohibiting access altogether, Justthemaid, do you mean no one can go onto the land?
If so, there must be a better way. Why allow the few to ruin it for everyone?
It's so not right to bann everyone because a few blow it.
Do you think way back the various members of the tribes were for or against petroglyph's and pictographs? Never thought about that before, but maybe that's why many were done in caves and hidden places. lynne
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Epic E
Big Wall climber
CA
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Feb 10, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
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This is a cool thread. A bunch of old men circle jerking each other over scratches in the rocks. Average out the last time any of you guys have nailed a chick and its well over a year for sure.
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Roxy
Trad climber
CA Central Coast
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Feb 10, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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Lame! come on, really?!?!
maybe it's the wine but I think of a certain movie clip.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1TSsS-mB6c
"it woulda been worth him doin' it just so I coulda caught him"
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Feb 10, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
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When you say prohibiting access altogether, Justthemaid, do you mean no one can go onto the land?
If so, there must be a better way. Why allow the few to ruin it for everyone?
It's so not right to bann everyone because a few blow it.
No,... I don't mean that at all. To clarify.. I think access to specific areas (especially historic ones) that are prone to vandalism should be limited or prohibited if the public refuses to respect them. I never said that access to the entire park should be closed. I agree.. that would be stupid.
Example: The park service "closed [the dam]from 130 feet upstream to 180 feet downstream of the dam to protect it from continued damage." .
The public can still hike the regular trails and they don't need access to the dam to enjoy a day in the desert, so I think it was a sensible closure while they decide what to do.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
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Or, two letters in the middle of a five letter word
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 27, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
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SoftKookay and Kat(if I recall her name correctly - she works at Nomads) are working with Bernadette to coordinate a Clean Up Day. The ranger we talked to at Indian Cove that day said the maintenance guys do such work when it is in campgrounds and similar, but it generally would not be their jobs to go that far out to do clean up.
Consider that the workers are already stretched as thin as the TP in the Hidden Valley campground potties. I think it is reasonable that this sort of clean up would be a Volunteers project.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 27, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
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Call Bernadette and ask her what is in the plans - or Kat at Nomads, who contacted Bernadette about those very graffiti pieces.
I don't think the NPS wants people just going on their own, since it is chemicals used to remove. Apparently they have some biodegradable stuff available.
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FreeCoffee
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Feb 27, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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Allied Climbers of San Diego has offered to help clean up the graffiti in Rattlesnake Canyon. A volunteer day will be arranged once the area has been cleared by the park's Cultural Department. I'll be sure to post the details.
Some spray painted initials were also found in the Hobbit Hole.
Meanwhile, come plant some plants at Hall of Horrors on Saturday, March 30. American Alpine Club, Thresh Hold Climbing Gym, and Friends of Josh are making a day and evening out of it. Coffee, bagels, plants, rocks, pizza, and Matt Segal.
Thank you very much.
Bernadette Regan
JTree Climbing Ranger
bernadette_regan@nps.gov
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