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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Wow- weird. They don't really describe the nature of the "vandalism" . I guess they sometimes don't want to give people ideas.
People suck BTW.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Keswick says that the Dam, which backs up a significant lake during wet seasons, has a patinated surface on its upstream side, into which visitors apparently began to carve graffiti sometime last fall. "Our guess is that once the first people did it, sometime in October, it served as an attractive nuisance and people decided it was the thing to do."
People really do suck.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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I wonder where people get the idea that it's okay to go carving your name (and other acts of graffit) in national parks?
I mean, it's not like the U.S. government endorses carving in the wilderness and leaving your mark.
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Onewhowalksonrocks
Mountain climber
portland, Maine
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In order to waste more of our tax dollars. They should cross check the names on the wall with camp site registrations and bust the pukes that did this
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Wow- that a lot of dumb-ass chicken scratch. People are so stupid. Way to go Julio '13 and friends. Couldn't just piss on a rock like the rest of the dumb animals roaming the earth? Now I can't work on my crumbling proj over on Rat Rock. ;)
Really though.. I support anything the park service thinks it needs to do. They've got enough headaches without having to deal with a graffiti fad in a million square miles of tempting rock surfaces. I'm not sure how they plan to "repair" the dam though.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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The other day I went with two others to check some graffiti that had been reported in Rattlesnake Canyon. When we got to the spot mentioned, we found older stuff as well, dating back to 1992, and about 4 other sites with "big boulder" graffiti - meaning the tags were a good 4 foot tall and more, taking up the entire face of the boulders and in very dark colors.
The person will be working with park admin to set up a clean up day. But maybe the park ought consider spending some tax funds on interpretive signs located in parking lots and campgrounds, as in images of the graffiti with text saying that carvings, paint, chopping wood, and such will get you a fine of whatever hundred dollars. Fines doubled for leaving TP- TRIPLED if it is "poop TP"...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Regardless of how you vote, support the efforts of the National Park employees."
For the most part, I completely agree.
SLR, that picture/comment is nothing more than an argument-inciting false equivalency.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Leave 'em alone.
Later on we can make a whole new national monument out of the graffiti.
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gonzo chemist
climber
Fort Collins, CO
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this has started to happen at Horsetooth Reservoir. Namely on the Bolt Wall.
I wish the rangers there would do something worthwhile--like find a way to prevent kids from carving their names into the boulders--instead of just patrolling the parking lot ticketing people who are PARKED LEGALLY (like myself).
Fuggin idiots...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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At least it ain't like Angels Landing, where you have to pick blank spots left precariously perched atop sweeping buttresses. Every once in a while a naughty boy scout with a knife takes a tumble...
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2013 - 11:18am PT
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SLR, give it a break.
But maybe the park ought consider spending some tax funds on interpretive signs located in parking lots and campgrounds, as in images of the graffiti with text saying that carvings, paint, chopping wood, and such will get you a fine of whatever hundred dollars. Fines doubled for leaving TP- TRIPLED if it is "poop TP"...
Happiegrrrl,
Unfortunately, I think the perps will ignore any signs, and probably vandalize them
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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People who have no compunction about scratching into 100-year old structures and spray-painting everything in sight really don't give a rat's ass about signage telling them not to. The people targeted by the signs are, by nature, the as#@&%es. It just gives those people more incentive to do the opposite of whatever they are being told NOT to do.
I'm not really sure what the solution is. I'm always pushing the hire-a-sniper angle, but prohibiting access altogether is the park service's only (sensible) option.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Yeah well I think we should get to the bottom of who made this:
into this:
and how much did that cost and why is it still open to the public after such defacement?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Yeah Kris.. I've always wondered about that myself. Some misguided manager's idea of "preservation" is my guess but.. yeesh. What the hell were they thinking?
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2013 - 11:59am PT
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NPS feeble attempt at preserving adobe
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I was waiting for someone to post that up.
Yeah, the NPS makes some questionable calls sometimes, but most of the time, the intent is good. It would seem that if there was as much demonstrated, collegial effort in the stewardship of our public lands as there is peanut-gallery, ankle-biting forum sniping, we'd all be the better for it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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NPS feeble attempt at preserving adobe
It wasn't adobe, it was brick and mortar. It wasn't built by Native Americans, as the first sign would imply. It was a homestead, Ryan Ranch.
Now it's stucco. Same as all those KB homes in Palmdale & LandCancer.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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SLR, that picture/comment is nothing more than an argument-inciting false equivalency.
Let me guess - you're a park service ranger?
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SofCookay
climber
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Some of the graffiti in Rattlesnake Canyon:
There's more, larger ones further up the canyon, including names written with a sharpie in the rock. They're all located above the waterfall.
Truly pathetic and sad.
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