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guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 3, 2013 - 11:43am PT
How in the hell did a hat that was the traditional working uniform of the West Coast longshoremen and sailors end up as a favorite of climbers?

Also traditionally known as the “West Coast Stetson” or among sailors and union members as the “Lundberg Stetson,” it was named for Harry Lundeberg, former president of the sailors group.

Lundeberg rose to prominence in the infamous 1934 West Coast Longshormen Strike. Leave it to a Norwegien to organize such an independent, rebellious and recalcitrant group of men. Not that dissimilar from a group of Camp 4 climbers in the early days.

The white cap was part of the universal uniform for dock workers, the “Stetson,” a blue and white striped work shirt called a “hickory” and black denim pants, or what was called “Frisco jeans” back then. Virtually everybody has this costume and it was called “dressing union.”

My stepfather was a chief engineer in the merchant marines and counted many longshoremen as his mates. Growing up in Berkeley in the 50s there were a number of bars where they congregated. A regular watering hole for the longshoremen and an oasis for the seaman before shipping out was the Solano Club across from the old Mountain Travel office in Albany. This was probably my first exposure to the hat. Later the named evolved into Halibut Hat and most likely this originated in the Pacific North West and Alaska?

The Halibut Hat was Royal Robbins favorite hat du jour in the early 60s and that is most likely where I picked up the nasty habit. But then again I was not alone in this mad and expensive habit of maintaining a regular supply of hats for the years to come. Always good to know you are not running solo in your endeavor. Enjoy.

Shanghai 1927
Shanghai 1927
Credit: guido
SF- 1938
SF- 1938
Credit: guido
Lundeberg Statue, Seattle
Lundeberg Statue, Seattle
Credit: guido
RR
RR
Credit: guido
SF Harry Bridges march 1939
SF Harry Bridges march 1939
Credit: guido
Bardini
Bardini
Credit: guido
Hickman
Hickman
Credit: guido
Bard and Shanachie lauunching
Bard and Shanachie lauunching
Credit: guido
Sir Eric Beck
Sir Eric Beck
Credit: guido
Guido and petite Guidette
Guido and petite Guidette
Credit: guido
Dan McHale
Dan McHale
Credit: guido
Denny and Guido-Camp 4 Reunion
Denny and Guido-Camp 4 Reunion
Credit: guido
Dos nXX ?
Dos nXX ?
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DR learning
DR learning
Credit: guido
DR
DR
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Edge in Chamonix
Edge in Chamonix
Credit: guido
Mike Farrell
Mike Farrell
Credit: guido
G Gnome-Valhala ?
G Gnome-Valhala ?
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Grossman ?
Grossman ?
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Guido and Ferrell
Guido and Ferrell
Credit: guido
NZ
NZ
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Tuamotus
Tuamotus
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D caunt?
D caunt?
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Harvey T Carter
Harvey T Carter
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Henry Barber
Henry Barber
Credit: guido
Jello
Jello
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Guido
Guido
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Kesey
Kesey
Credit: guido
Guido
Guido
Credit: guido
Local?
Local?
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McClinski
McClinski
Credit: guido
Isla Socorro
Isla Socorro
Credit: guido
Don't kick sand in this guys face!  CP
Don't kick sand in this guys face! CP
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Charlie Porter
Charlie Porter
Credit: guido
Rob Slater
Rob Slater
Credit: guido
Credit: guido
Tompkins and Coonyard
Tompkins and Coonyard
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Twisted Crank
Twisted Crank
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Wayne Campbell
Wayne Campbell
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Yohalem?
Yohalem?
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drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Great photos Guido!

Credit: drljefe

I think what Mr. E wears is more of a Paperboy but stylish nonetheless.
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:59am PT
I had no idea that those hats were worn by so many illuminaries! Leave it to Guido to have collected so many pics of climbers wearing his favorite head gear! Great photos!
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Ah, but they both have the same derivation from what is known as the Flat Cap Era-I sh#t you not!
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
had a three or four year run with them in the early seventies, working on the beach in southern humboldt ... launching boats, tossing fish, ripping between anchored trawlers on one hull, and returning drunken fisherman to their boats by the dory load after closing time at the bar.

there's some shelter to be found under those things for the top edge of the ear.
a little scaly spot up there says i should never have gone back to caps.

not much of a burden accordianed onto the bill
and slipped into the back pocket, as i recall
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
My step dad was in the Operating Engineers Union so maybe that's why he wore them - that was the source of my supply, and then of course, Royal gave license to wear them - The Union of Royal Robbins Society.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Fenton's Corner (early 1960s)
Fenton's Corner (early 1960s)
Credit: jogill

age 70 (2007)
age 70 (2007)
Credit: jogill

I started wearing one in the late 1950s.
thekidcormier

Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
Base of the split pillar 2011
Base of the split pillar 2011
Credit: thekidcormier

I started wearing one with out knowing how deeply routed they are in climbing history.

Great thread.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
I copied the masters BITD
That or a bandana.
Aid practice Casper Mtn. Wyoming 77
Aid practice Casper Mtn. Wyoming 77
Credit: T Hocking
Leading "Skateing Away" 5.8 <br/>
Leading "Skateing Away" 5.8

Credit: T Hocking
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:53pm PT

My question, Guido, is are they made from halibut skin?


hee hee hee. . .
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
Great thread Guido!

What is not to like about an all-cotton, cheap and stylish addition to an otherwise cool head?!?


Heading up La Escuela, BITD. Rich Thompson photo.

Once the tidy whities became the style du jour then it was one stop shop at the paint shop to cover your ass and top.

The shot in your OP is me on the east Buttress of MCR. Rich Thompson photo.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Credit: StahlBro

Credit: StahlBro
bajaandy

climber
Escondido, CA
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
North Pal, mid 80's. I just thought it was a rakishly cool hat to wear when climbing. (And yes, it's a Stetson.)
North Pal, Northeast Buttress, mid 80's
North Pal, Northeast Buttress, mid 80's
Credit: bajaandy
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Routine quiver for almost all occasions:
Credit: guido
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
Well, that was the exhaustive and definitive work, for sure!
But I think we are owed at least a partial explanation of the aptly named
Isla Socorro shot!



A wannabe and his hat posing for easily impressed Swedes...

Title page of Stockholm climbing guide of last century
Title page of Stockholm climbing guide of last century
Credit: Reilly
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Traitor Horn, Tahquitz 1968, Larry Reynolds photo
Credit: McHale's Navy
On first ascent of Looking Glass, Whitney Portal Buttress 1970, Keith Schwartz photo.
Credit: McHale's Navy


MisterE

Social climber
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:52pm PT


Edit: Just saw Jefe's post - thanks for the shot!

I was actually a halibut-fishing deck-hand (as well as black cod) in Alaska in the 80's. True story. This was when there was the 48-hour "derby" fishing opening, where you long-lined for halibut for the whole 48 hours - no rest. The black cod was not so controlled.

Trying to stay away from the winter madness, but the call is too strong.


Walk on the Wild Side
Walk on the Wild Side
Credit: MisterE
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:03pm PT


Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
Best thread in a while!

It's weird when connections come together... I have known Dan McHale since about '74 and I climbed with Guido a couple of summers ago at Facelift. Never knew they knew each other!
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
Awesome thread and photos!
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Royal started doing it so that people in his slide show audiences could quickly spot him in each picture.

I was rarely photographed, so didn't pick up the fashion.

Plus hats distort sound...a major survival factor on big mountain walls is hearing exactly where the high flyer rocks are going...

People wearing helmets often show off the dents where the rocks hit...

(I have no dents in the top of my head...)
Dirka

Trad climber
Hustle City
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:03am PT
Bump for history
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:27am PT
Lost mine years ago (no not virginity, that's still intact, ha ha).

The few times I climbed with Charlie Porter, he always wore his.

MisterE, I long-lined for halibut summer of 1977 out of Petersburg, Alaska, still had my hat then.
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:00am PT
Yup, learned something once again.

"Halibut Hat"; who knew?
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:26am PT
Fun read and great info--I always thought that it was called a "Stroker" hat and originated from the golf circuit of the late 1800's...


Who knew?
MisterE

Social climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:16am PT
MisterE, I long-lined for halibut summer of 1977 out of Petersburg, Alaska, still had my hat then.

Cool! I was on the "Sylvia" out of Port Alexander, just south of Sitka. Beautiful boat - I fell in love with her at the dry-dock in Port Townsend, Washington and had be with her...


Back on topic:

Credit: MisterE
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Feb 5, 2013 - 08:09am PT
remembering extreme dave
Dave Stutzman in the Witches Cauldron. August 1977
Dave Stutzman in the Witches Cauldron. August 1977
Credit: Plumbbob
maldaly

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 5, 2013 - 08:14am PT
And let's not forget Henry:
Credit: maldaly
MH2

climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 08:15am PT
A whole new wing in the Museum of Climbing. Good work, Guido.


edit:

Guido included a pic of Henry.
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Feb 5, 2013 - 08:17am PT
Because paisley bandanas worn pirate style is kinda goofy.
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Feb 5, 2013 - 08:35am PT
Cool, grew up wearing "hickory shirts" My Dad told me they were called that becasue they were "as tough as hickory".
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 08:55am PT
Good hats. The white color reflects the heat of the sun, and the bill is just long enough to shade your eyes, but short enough to not get in the way while pulling shoulder carried runners off over your head, and doesn't poke the rock in front of your face.

One spring day while ski patrolling at Alpine Meadows I arrived at work realizing that I had forgot my sunglasses and had no brimmed hat. Dreading the intense sun I took my first run off the top. Half way down I found one of those white hats lying on the snow. It shaded my eyes just enough to save the day.
MisterE

Social climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
Bump:

Credit: MisterE
Gilroy

Social climber
Bolderado
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:10am PT
Agree w/what Dick E. said about the white cotton version of the paperboy/halibut hat. Wore one of those down in the TX heat for years. More recently, living in NY and CO I have favored one with a bit of wool from Scala.

reposted from another thread

Ranger Rock with Rob
Ranger Rock with Rob
Credit: Gilroy

PS - maldaLy, nobody's going to be forgetting Henry, once they've met him. ;-)
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:19am PT
It was Henry Barber who started wearing one in imitation of Royal, IMO, which pretty much let the hat out of the bag.

And the cute Sheridan cartoons, too numerous to mention.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
MisterE, my high school climbing buddy Steve (a year ahead of me in school) did a year at Humboldt State and then went north.

He had a 36' long-liner, Eirendale (he has since over the years have had several boats, out of P'burg and Sitka). and I worked on it for the first 'slot', but then his partner (studying fisheries at U of Wash) came up so I spent the rest of the summer on a tender (what a pain, I've got one or two stories to tell), the Lillian S (93' contracted not owned by the cannery but by an old sea salt, Ray Bell - he lost his finger laying telephone wire in Alaska while in the Army during WW2. I wonder if he got a Purple Heart for that.)

On my 21st, Ray and his wife (we were based out of Kake, Kupreanof Island, where they lived - tallest totem pole in the world, at least at the time) surprised me with a cake, Steve must have told them.

My first and only encounter with a grizzly was on Kuiu Island, after towing a summer tender barge. Scary.

Anyway, as for the hat, that is the last I remember of it. But it was skanky at that point, - - halibut slime can be like super glue and coupled with salmon scales...

Hey Guido/Joe, great thread.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
me in the NRG with said hat style...circa 1990's
me in the NRG with said hat style...circa 1990's
Credit: prickle
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John Butler

Social climber
SLC, Utah
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:02pm PT

Drilling in style...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Jim and Mouse on The Flakes.  A perfect day.
Jim and Mouse on The Flakes. A perfect day.
Credit: Jim Shirley/by MFM
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 6, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
Guido & all! Thanks for the history of "Halibut Hats" and all the fun photos you folks have posted.

I looked through my considerable inventory of 70's Idaho climbing photos and nary a Halibut Hat surfaced.

Looks like we pale and fashion-challenged northerners were mostly bareheaded. Only in our 1971 photos of climbing in the Sawtooths, do hats show up.

June 1971 on the chossy summit of Thompson Peak, highest of Idaho's Sa...
June 1971 on the chossy summit of Thompson Peak, highest of Idaho's Sawtooth Mountains. From left to right: Hans, Stein, & Fritz. Stein's cap is of straw.
Credit: Stein Sitzmark
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 6, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Joe Brown
Joe Brown
Credit: jogill

A young Joe Brown
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
Never wore one myself, but I always thought it was Robbins who popularized it.

McCarthy in the Winds sportin' the look:



The Vulgarians and their predecessors had their own take on headgear:

Hans Kraus:



Art Gran and Claude Suhl (compare Art's headgear to Hans'):



Al DeMaria:



Helmets have pretty much killed headgear fashion for climbers.
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
I used to wear one when I was Trials riding. . . it was a relief from the helmets of moto-cross.
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
So we're standing around Camp 4, probably circa 1960 plus one? and Art "dah"move" Gran is here for the first time and he is wearing this thing he called a Skull Cap (like the previous photo?) and he says, " In dah Gunks, we judge are climbers by dah Skull Cap they wear." To which Bitchin Bill Amborn, better known as BBA says: "We judge our climbers here by the climbs they do." It was hilarious!

I got to climb with Gran but on one venture, he knocked a large block off on the approach to Arrow Head Arete and I ended up in dah hospital.

Friggin Vulgarians were fun, if not a wee bit crazy.
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
That "scull cap" was called a Turswiry hat. It is indeed the one on Kraus and Gran in the pictures. I believe that Kraus brought it over from Austria, and it became all the rage among the Gunks locals.

The nomenclature is not Austrian however, but strictly home-brewed, and in the extended tradition of Vulgarian word play. An account of an expedition to Schoolhouse Cave had described the leader as "terse and wiry." The Vulgarians decided that climbing leaders might strive for analogous endowments by the ritual donning of the Turswiry cap. Although wiry-ness might have been (ever so briefly) achieved, the cap utterly failed to convey anything like the verbal reticence required for terseness, as Art Gran---a wearer of the Turswiry cap as the photos show---proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The story of the Camp 4 Turswiry interchange has been told and retold, with different characters (I've heard it was Robbins, for example) identified as the responder to Gran's declaration. We Easterners were always amazed that anyone took Art's satiric remarks seriously and felt the need for an earnest retort.

After the the scorn heaped upon it by the Gang of Camp Four, the Turswiry went into witness protection and now lives a life of obscurity as a helmet liner.

As for the Halibut Hat, its official name is the flat cap, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_cap for full description and history.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
Fantastic Thread Guido! You always look so rakish in your hat. Now I know the history behind it.

I agree, think this is one of the best threads in a while. Wonderful pictures of climbing history.

Hoss Julia, Guido and Lynnie in front of TPR.
Hoss Julia, Guido and Lynnie in front of TPR.
Credit: LL LL
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Feb 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
A couple of distinguished gentlemen--one with the required cappage--, one gentleman who is decidedly less distingued and a couple of young 'uns waiting to have some fun on the Apron a few summers ago.

Credit: Ihateplastic
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 6, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
This thread makes my knee jerk when i see the famous Robbins hat...There was this local grumpy, neurotic , contractor who always wore one of the halibut hats on the job sights...He had done some climbing but wasn't really like a die-hard , dirtbag , climber...His employees , who were usually climbers , made fun of his Robbins hat behind his back , knowing that doing so to his face would incur the wrath of a short , insecure man...One day , a fellow Supertopian and i got the nerve to walk into this guys custom home...The first thing we saw in the mudroom was a coat rack with 3 spotless Robbins hats in tight formation , waiting to be worn..When we exited the house , my friend looked at me and without saying a word , started laughing...Guido...You look good in that hat...RJ
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Credit: guido
Credit: guido
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
American teenage fashion circa 1900:



What goes around comes around.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Being used for its intended purpose and, most assuredly, there were halibut
beneath the keel as this was the Seward Fjords.

Maybe not the proverbial 'one hand on the bottle and the other on the ...
Maybe not the proverbial 'one hand on the bottle and the other on the throttle' but close enough, eh?
Credit: Reilly
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Plaidman

Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
I posted a reply and deleted it cause I didn't want to muddy the water with an off topic comment. Now that someone posted several other modes of head dress I will make my preference known.

Not that it is really a secret as it is difficult to pry the damn thing off my head. A Tam o' Shanter is the only way to go.

Once you go that way you will never go back.

Credit: Plaidman
photo by Ed Hartouni.
Thanks Ed. I think you captured the look.

Plaid
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Some old climber hack with a flat hat.













Some other old climber hack. Joe Brown again.










Hamish McInnes.











Apparently Rebuffat's hair was too bitchin' to consider it.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
Mike Farrell
Mike Farrell
Credit: guido
Would you not know it?

I went to the photo search looking for Mike Farrell, who never failed to appear in his white flattie.

And Guido magically appears as well. Boom!

If I didn't know better, I'd say I been hat.

edit: I didn't see this pic on the first page, so I definitely feel I've been hat. Got it covered now.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Coma coma coma chameleon.  Comes & goes.
Coma coma coma chameleon. Comes & goes.
Credit: GI
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
they're "caps,"or "bonnets," not "hats," and it matters.

caps had a short front brim. hats had a real brim of whatever length. in the 19th century, flat caps of wool or cotton were worn mostly by working class and boys. or as country wear by the bourgeoisie and aristos. in town, and at work, fur felt hats with 360 brims dominated.

it wasn't until after ww2 that affecting a working class style, or going hatless, became common. it was a big deal when jfk, aka "hatless jack," went w/o a fedora in public. and it was a big deal when , in the sixties, baseball caps replaced fedoras (and even engineer's and stormy kroner caps).

when i was a kid, my uncles wore fedoras hunting. my grandpa wore an engineer's cap farming. and my youngest uncle was the rebel who wore a baseball cap and an undershirt-- no collar --under his overalls. except for haying, when everyone wore collars and longsleeves.

men's hats are actually a pretty good guide to social and political history in the last century and a half. the irony is that when royal-- and other american climbers --picked up the flat cap from the brits like whillans and brown (two very self-consciously working-class brits), and brought it back to the states to replace fedoras, tyrolians, and skullcaps, the class connotations went haywire.

for americans, that weird poofy flat-brim cap suggested continental or british flair, and that mean that the hats were snooty. today, in the states, they seem to be associated with golf and european sports cars. or in guido's case, sailing. (why would you wear a cotton hat sailing? isn't the greek fisherman's versions wool?)

i never, personally, saw a man in public wearing one of those deals until i got to the west coast many years later. i tried to wear one of those deals because i'd seen pix of whillans, robbins, and gill wearing them. didn't work for me. too much hair. and i never got comfortable in a baseball cap.


Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
I don't know who Hamish McInnes is but I love his hat and his smile. :D
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Lynne, he was arguably the best-loved Scottish climber ever.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Thanks Reilly, I'll try to find a book about him......
Gilroy

Social climber
Bolderado
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:40am PT
Grab a copy of Patey's 'One Man's Mountains' if you're lucky enough to have access to that modern classic of English/Anguished climbing or lay yr hands on Alpinist 41, the current issue, which has a one page photo and profile on the 'Fox of Glencoe.'

A worthy subject.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 8, 2013 - 07:51am PT
In the pub and at the crag the "flat at" was standard issue for Hamish. I really liked the stylee wool chapeau but it was instant malaria in warmer weather. All cotton much mo betta and cheaper too!


That guy again on True Grit.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 8, 2013 - 09:14am PT
Echo Peaks - Cathedral Range, early 60's
Echo Peaks - Cathedral Range, early 60's
Credit: J. F. Runner
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 8, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
Was snooping around and found this in the 1972 baseball thread. Looks like that might be Jerry Anderson wearing the 'hat' from the thread comments. Blow it up here;

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1089791

Credit: McHale's Navy
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 8, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Dick Ellsworth, just behind Sockran at the plate. Bobby Ashworth next to himin the rag.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 9, 2013 - 10:57am PT
A man with a hat AND a Bunker...LOL
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Feb 9, 2013 - 11:34am PT
That flat cap that Eric Beck is sporting is the coolest of the cool. That guy has style! Where can you get on of those?

kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 9, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Get Some! http://www.villagehatshop.com/ivy-caps-ALL.html
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Feb 9, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
http://www.johnhelmer.com/prod.itml/icOid/53

Credit: hooblie

http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-accessories/hats-and-caps-for-men/61000.aspx
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 9, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
these guy's liked em too.
Credit: kennyt
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Feb 9, 2013 - 01:05pm PT

for me, first 'twas sammy miller as fashion mogul
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 9, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
Good Times!!
steve shea

climber
Feb 9, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
Looks like a lot of Vuarnets also.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Feb 9, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
Vuarnets are awesome! Skilynx lenses are still the best for climbing, skiing, and whitewater rafting. Got some cateyes a couple of years back for a Grand Canyon trip and I look like I stepped out of a time machine with them on. One of my adult daughters looked at me aghast the first time she saw me with them on and said, "Did you see how far they stick out from your face?"

What could be better: they have the best lenses ever, take me back and make me smile, and drive my kids crazy!
Allen Hill

Social climber
CO.
Feb 9, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
Hammish McInnes in his.
Hammish McInnes in his.
Credit: Allen Hill
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Credit: guido
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 10, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
One more of this Thread Master, Guido.
One more of this Thread Master, Guido.
Credit: LL LL


Couldn't resist.....Facelift 2011. Cheers to a master, lynnie
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
I could never decipher why the famdamily vetoed this for our annual Christmas Card? Celebrating the new scoop on the bateau 1999.
Credit: guido
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Feb 10, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
Not sure that this is what Guido had in mind...

Guido & Mom
Guido & Mom
Credit: BooDawg

Fu-Man-Chuido
Fu-Man-Chuido
Credit: BooDawg

BooDawg topping out after free-solo of After Six.
BooDawg topping out after free-solo of After Six.
Credit: BooDawg

McClinski, 1974
McClinski, 1974
Credit: BooDawg

BooDawg, Hennek, Yosemite Sam
BooDawg, Hennek, Yosemite Sam
Credit: BooDawg

BooDawg; Guido; Bomba; Ottonello
BooDawg; Guido; Bomba; Ottonello
Credit: BooDawg
George R

climber
The Gray Area
Feb 11, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Really cool thread !

I used to wear one back-in-the-day, then I switched to cycling caps when the halibuts became harder to find. I never knew they were called "halibut hats" though; thanks for that bit of info.

G
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Feb 11, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
The legend I heard was that Royal Robbins used to work in Modesto as a painter, possibly for Liz Robbins' dad, and he adopted his style of dress while painting when he went to Yosemite to rock climb. In other words, Robbins wore white painters' pants and a white painters' hat because that's exactly what he was doing to fund his climbing habit.

But I see that John Gill says he started wearing one of those hats in the 50s. Perhaps, so cross-pollination between Colorado and California? Dunno.

Ask Royal!
Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
Royal worked for a while in the paint store owned by his father in law. I don't think he ever worked as a painter, or had anything to do with painters pants becoming popular with climbers. I never saw him wear a pair of them. It was mainly shorts and knickers.
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
I have to agree with Erb on this, although in many ways RR could paint a pretty picture.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
so cross-pollination between Colorado and California? Dunno

Make that Georgia and California ;>)
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
Boodawg....splendid series of pics. Much appreciated. lynnie
Chris Jones

Social climber
Glen Ellen, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
While it is true that Joe Brown, Don Whillans and their group wore flat hats, other equally prominent Brits, e.g. Chris Bonington, Martin Boysen etc. did not. It would have been an affectation for Bonington to have done so - flat hats were not worn by university or professional types. The weather in the British hills is either cold, snow likely; cool, rain likely, or warm, rain possible. Many times therefore you will see pictures of Brown and others wearing a wool Balaclava hat, an itchy damn thing, but warm. For the most part in Britain during the late 50s and early 60s we did not use hats of any stripe
The issue in California was keeping the sun out of one's eyes, not staying warm. Arriving in the Valley in 1966, it was immediately apparent that my Edelrid hard hat was simply not on; too hot, and more important, wimpy looking. It seems to me that Eric Beck pointed me to a store on Berkeley's San Pablo Avenue as a source of painter's hats. I usually bought cotton pants at thrift stores; they were cheaper than actual painter's pants. Wonderful thread Guido.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 11, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
Nice bit of history, Chris Jones. :D lynne
Steve Hickman

climber
Norwood, CO
Feb 12, 2013 - 08:17am PT
Didn't I have one of those on when we did Snakedike back in 1901?
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 09:51am PT
Snake Dike circa 1965. This is "Ranger" Hickman.
Thanks to Haan for restoring these old slides!

Hickman and the Snake Dike and............
Hickman and the Snake Dike and............
Credit: guido
Credit: guido
Credit: guido
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Feb 21, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
^^^^^

I want that shirt! I have those knees:-)
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 21, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
ydpl8s...No I want that shirt. :D Knife, paper, sissors yo for it.

Paisley, oh how I love the paisley. So hard to find. Tried many places. Mr. Graham sent me a nice paisley shirt couple years ago, but I've worn it out. It would be awesome if someone out there would manufacture a bitd paisley long sleeve out of today's awesome fabrics.

Closest I can come to the god ....wow I didn't realize good old days spelled god..... Hmmmmmm, anyway I found a great pair of tie dyed climbing pants. At Nordstroms of all fricking places. Cheers, lynnie
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Mar 6, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
It dawned on me today that my friend here is wearing a halibut hat. It's Scott Hamel bouldering at Big Four Ice Caves in the 80s. We were comparing old tools with the newer recurved tools.
Credit: McHale's Navy
thekidcormier

Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
Credit: thekidcormier
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Nice hat Kid
thekidcormier

Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
Mar 6, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Thanks tad.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Mar 6, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Racks not bad either. Youza...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 6, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
One well-hung AND well-appointed young sportsman!
MisterE

Social climber
Mar 6, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
Sorry to keep interspersing this history thread with new pictures, but I love my hat...

Credit: MisterE
thekidcormier

Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:41am PT
What gives??

From what I gather climbing in a nice hat just feels right.

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 23, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
The Royal Halibut at work...

Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Mar 24, 2013 - 08:29am PT
Looks perfectly safe to me.  Who is this guy? Royal??
Looks perfectly safe to me. Who is this guy? Royal??
Credit: shelter-co.tumblr.com
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 24, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Wild shot!

I don't think Royal ever got quite that burly...LOL
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Mar 24, 2013 - 10:45am PT
Oh what a very fun thread! I'm not sure how it escaped my notice for two months but it's great that it bubbled up to the surface again.
Funny thing is, my teenage nephew was just visiting me a couple of weeks ago and we happened to walk by a great hat store, Goorin Bros., in North Beach. He picked out a hat very much like the ones profiled here for himself.
Thanks for the history lesson, Guido!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Apr 9, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
Needles - 1969
Credit: McHale's Navy
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 23, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
A bump for Rodell!
Credit: McHale's Navy
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 25, 2013 - 10:56am PT
Everything is better au chapeau...
Edge

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 29, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
I've sported a beret since high school, but no one ever takes pics of me for obvious reason. I had to pay to fly my son out for the holidays so he could shoot this earlier today.

Style makes the man.
Style makes the man.
Credit: Edge

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