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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Supertopo is just as bad and just as good as it always was.
If you are looking for mud to wallow in, there is plenty, just like always. If you are looking for smart and intelligent posts, there are plenty. If you are looking for climbing stuff there is plenty of that also.
If Supertopo is a negative experience for you, you are reading the wrong threads.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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I think it is quite stretch to make claims about a person's honor based solely on what they post in a recreational internet forum.
Kinda cheapens the meaning of the word "honor."
If a person only has honor on special occasions and it doesn't extend to recreation, then what kind of honor is that? Situational honor in my books is no honor at all.
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John M
climber
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It's this PC Bullschitt that has dissillusioned me with this forum.
I guess I'm cornfused. I thought PC bullschitt was when you didn't like people being too Politically correct. That they should speak their mind and not hold back. That seems to happen a lot on this forum. Its just that peoples minds are a bit in the gutter. So could you clarify for me. What is it that you don't like?
I thought you were leaving because of the rancor and disrespectful behavior.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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I never said this place wasn't worth one's time, but I do think you can get a pretty good idea of people by reading numerous comments of theirs. If they're not the vitriolic people they pretend to be on ST, then that also shows you something about their character and a lack of consistency if nothing else. To me to be honorable, a person should at least strive to be consistently honorable. We all fail from time to time.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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I'm afraid ST will continue to have an untamed, uncultivated element. It's impossible to prohibit individuals from posting on the internet drunk.
This is good.
Curt
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Apparently from the level of obnoxious vitriol directed toward him and others, there are some who have no sense of humor and take pleasure in that fact.
Agreed!
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Casper the Friendly Ghost Town!
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Logged on in 2006...Supertopo was a great distraction and procrastination from my then monotonous job...then I got fired from a new job in 2007 due to my procrastinating skills I honed in on here!!! Knew then I had a problem with the internet, Supertopo and other nefarious sites!!! LOL, but I kept on logging on Supertopo until 2010-ish?? Then I did the math. I looked up all my total posts (1,588), figured it took me approx. 2-5 minutes per post, and that's being conservative...it wasn't pretty.
I did the same thing for LEB and other high volume posters who shall remain nameless...LEB had posted the equivalent of 105 days (24/7)!!! Freakin' nuts! Life is too short to spend in the electronic void!
Anyways, decided that I should really focus on family, my daughter and wife, and haven't regretted a minute of it! Cheers.
Btw, Good job Broken Down Climber...I'll keep an eye out for ya at Fremont Cyn.!!!
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Well I huffed and I puffed but I still couldnt control a damn thing,
except myself.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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For the record, I do not share brokedown's conservative values. We do have very civilized disagreements however.
And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory. It also seems pretty clear from the Catholic Church example that hidden gays in positions of authority are more likely to abuse their power than those out of the closet. I'm also pretty sure there already are gay scout masters, they're just not recognized as such. I therefore think the sooner all gays are out and equal the better.
Of course as a woman who has traveled around the world alone several times over, I could tell you all a thing or two about predatory heterosexual males. And I've had run ins with those a lot more frequently than with lesbians. LOL
The fact is nobody's children are safe in any venue in North America anymore. Kids get kidnapped off of school busses and taken to underground bomb shelters by total strangers, they get kidnapped and held as sex slaves in some pervert's basement or back yard, they get gunned down in their classrooms, and so far as I know those have all been done by heterosexual males.
As far as brokedown resorting to name calling, but that's his responsibilty not mine.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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The assumption behind the opposition to gay scout leaders is 1) irrational bias often based on religion 2) a somewhat understandable bias given what's happened in the Catholic Church.
I will state again, the problem in the Catholic church was hidden gay pedophiles whom everyone trusted and the persistent attempt over many years to cover it all up. If gays are out in the open, those conditions are eliminated and the same standards apply to them as anyone else. In time hopefully, people will understand the difference between gay which is a biological condition of birth and gay pedophiles which is a lifestyle choice based on stunted psychological development.
Pedophiles can not be eliminated but our children can be educated to report them where ever encountered and not to believe that any authority is above such reporting or that such encounters are ever the child's fault.
Hopefully that's clear enough?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Brokedown...I hear what you are saying about the PC drift but it's all good and part of the mudslingin....Maybe someone will post some Andrew Dice poetry and balance out the Kumbaya factor...? RJ
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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The word honor is probably the second most cheapened word in America....just behind patriotisim.
Jim I agree, but I would add "Hero" to the beginning of that list.
I thought you were going to go climbing more.....
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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I think " amazing " is the most cheapened word.
You are amazing,
This thread is amazing
Supertopo is amazing
Boobs are amazing
People leaving and stating so or making a huff is amazing
We are all amazing
What an amazing day.
YUK!
Edit: now parting the red sea, that was amazing.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv that is funny Ron!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Yeah, but it was only a traverse.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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And I'm sure that not every gay is predatory. It also seems pretty clear from the Catholic Church example that hidden gays in positions of authority are more likely to abuse their power than those out of the closet. I'm also pretty sure there already are gay scout masters, they're just not recognized as such. I therefore think the sooner all gays are out and equal the better.
Since some people seem confused on the issue, gay does not equal pedophile.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Exactly my point. Maybe if our society could accept gays, we would begin to see the difference. And let us not forget that Jerry Sandusky of Penn State was not apparently gay which is one of the reasons probably no body suspected him to be a pedophile of young boys. An interesting question is if he worked in a girl's boarding school would young girls have been his victims?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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And for those of you who don't like to use the word honor except presumably in a military context, how about personal integrity instead?
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Owlman
Social climber
Bozeman
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Oh no, you mean the Boobs link is toast.
I'm leaving too.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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i have nothing to say right now...me got the damn flu....
I'll slander later.
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nutjob
Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
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Personal integrity and honor matter to me.
I think how people conduct themselves on Supertopo is an honest reflection of their needs and wants, who they really are, stripped of the fears associated with an in-person confrontation. In other words, people present themselves how they want to be in the world, without regard for the fear of getting an @ss-beating for saying or being offensive to others. Actually, this is more true of anonymous folks than widely known real name posters.
While this is generally a bad thing according to my value system, there are some good and therapeutic things about it. It's a good halfway house of sorts for folks learning to deal with confrontation in a healthy way. Some people practice "being a dick" here so they can get more comfortable with confrontations in real life. Being able to cope with a confrontation is a first step to being able to have rational thoughts and be considerate amidst a confrontation. It's a way of letting out emotional angst without hurting the "real" people around you in "real" life. I think I did that for a short bit around 2005.
Maybe this gets close to the differential resentment that Supertopo seems to bear for negative participants who are climbers vs. non-climbers.
We don't want to be the cesspool outlet of negative emotions for others who have nothing invested in us or what we care about. But real people sometimes express unpleasant negative stuff, and if it balances over time with the good stuff, we're more tolerant.
So the instinct to "protect the tribe" and shun negative non-climbers is not really an expression of parochialism, but more a community taking a stand against net negative folks who come with a calculated lack of investment to make a safe haven for dumping sh!t.
I would hope that a forum of basket-weavers would be resentful if I joined just because I don't really give a damn about basket weaving and it was a safe place for me to treat people poorly, spoiling relationships that I don't care about.
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