Why I've quit participating on S-T. Probably others, too.


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Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:48am PT
Ed that is an absolutely wonderful pic of Brokedown climber.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:52am PT
A little civility would be nice.

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:55am PT
I want to work on Brokedown's Ranch,
and eat Steaks every day.

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:59am PT
Hey Broken Down Climber, I'm stoned so no matter what I say I will take it wrong. I like that pic of you - looks like you're a real mellow guy. Thanks for your contribution here. This is a great place.

Hey, Cosmic, you were not there when I started this post of mine, I said I'm stoned and there you are - pretty cosmic.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:09am PT
philo, it is just a reminder of why STForum is such a wonderful place to meet up and plan climbing trips...

...even with all the bullsh#t, good stuff happens away from the melodrama, real stuff happens indeed.

Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 07:41am PT
help me out here. Who is t*r

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2013 - 10:09am PT
Thanks to Ed for reminding me of the great day we had climbing in 2010; that was my "comeback trail trailhead" climb, atop Manure Pile Buttress after completing "After Six." That was exactly 3 1/2 months after breaking 7 ribs and 2 cervical vertabrae in Eldorado; at the time it was taken I was still (unknown to me!) very anemic with very low hematocrit. I bitched the whole time that I didn't have any endurance! Thanks, Ed!

Social climber
Tujunga CA.
Feb 3, 2013 - 10:55am PT
when the st forum was started it was cool...you knew almost everyone on it.
every thread was pertinent to climbing.

now it a forum of haters. Ive been attacked just about everytime i have posted here by people that i dont even know....especially around cocktail hour.

stay tuned for proper climbing content


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:29am PT
Bitter ol guy....I like your Rodney Dangerfield take on supertopo...What comedians aren't negative...Excellent...
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:43am PT
I've taught my daughter that for someone to affect me, I have to care what they think of me. If I don't care what they think, they can't affect me.
I pity people here who degenerate into name calling and slander, they cause me to think that the are very unhappy and insecure. I pity them but they don't affect me.

Two thumbs up for what Ed said just above, I met a lot of wonderful people her on ST, more than a few are on their way to becoming very good friends. Since I've been dealing with selling Ian's gear, I've been simply floored by the generosity of our fellow SuprtTopians.

Feb 3, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Everyone who comes on ST does so for their own reasons. We have learned how to deal with that
in real life. In a way it is unfortunate that this new medium, the internet, persuades us we can
with impunity, amp ourselves up. Uniformly posters say on meeting face to face, "You are not as
bad as your posts."

On the other hand it is interesting that we drop the face we have learned to display in real life. If
I were a psychiatrist I would talk to my patients only via the internet. Freud can be left in the
dust. Really.

Personally I would consider the option of slandering someone on ST to be very like disrobing in
public. There is not a dime's worth of difference between the two.

A word on the mammary thread. Over the past few million years women and men have evolved
so as best to carry out their roles. Those roles are different. Very different. To see this you need
only reflect for ten seconds on the fact within living memory women were considered to be
chattel property. Much the same as your cattle or your horse. Like men though, they too are very
diverse and they will respond variously.

We all would be well served were we to renormalize. From here on to consider females to be
extra galactic aliens only recently transported to earth. Even better, were we to allow for the fact
we can't be sure we were here first.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:34pm PT

Now, that is Supertopo at it finest.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
I've learned that even with the best of intentions, "discussions" on the Internet devolve quite quickly. Respect goes downhill fast and never comes back. I don't need the agony.
Nor Cal

Trad climber
San Mateo
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
wow, I am back in one day and posting.

TGT, I was in the Valley for a "day shot" two weeks ago and will be back next weekend. It's not a lack of climbing or a seasonal disorder it's the attitudes of some...

Weekend warrior
Weekend warrior
Credit: Nor Cal
Photo from a weekender
Photo from a weekender
Credit: Nor Cal

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
The comment was directed at mistaking Locker for a "hardman"

Most of us here ARE, and always were, weekend warriors, or over the hill and still living off a long past reputation.


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
I know this is lame to say, but I can't wait until people stop posting so many damn ice climbing pictures.
Nor Cal

Trad climber
San Mateo
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
TGT, I know most of us are weekend warriors and I did not take anything personal. I've been on supertopo for years and years and have just found it lacking in constructive climbing related topics.
My comment about locker was intended to be funny. I deleted the part about getting a job at the to become a hardman like him.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
mechrist...i agree and accept your lameness...smiley picture...

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
Nothing derogatory whatsoever in the term "weekend warrior." I know a lot of climbers who work normal 9 to 5 jobs, train at the local gym a night or two, and then pull down HARD on weekends.
Besides, it's not the number you are putting up, it's the satisfaction you are getting from your climbing that counts.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
it's the satisfaction you are getting from your climbing that counts.

That's for damn sure!
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