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Trevbo

Trad climber
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:37pm PT


(Homer at Moe's bar, reminiscing on his trip with Bart to a steel mill to try and steer him straight.)

Homer: "...and the entire steel mill was gay."
Moe: "Where have you been Homer? The entire steel industry is gay!"

Classic Simpson's episode...
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
if the 25% gay rate among males is true,


It's not true. Most rigorous, academic estimates is around 3-5%.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:00am PT
^^

And this matters why?

Plus I'm pretty sure it's higher among republicans.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:02am PT
Why does it matter? I dunno. Because facts matter?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:02am PT
Donald, you need to realize that you are on the wrong side of nearly every social issue. What are you going to do when you get to the pearly gates and God is a pot smoking 60s styled liberal?

My advice? repent dude
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Why does it matter? I dunno. Because facts matter?

why are all dogs gay but only 4% humans?

I have my doubts when it comes to that 4%

unless perhaps you mean exclusively
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:07am PT
being gay happens but that does not mean being gay is normal from a biological scientific standpoint. It is unnatural, why is that hard to believe?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:07am PT
^^^^

Dogs
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:14am PT
I wrote you a little tribute up there Donald.

No comment?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:23am PT
Still ignoring my tribute Donald?
Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:24am PT
Bruce, what a great clip. One of my all time favorite movies! "The Producers"
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:28am PT
Dogs are gay, ergo dudes are gay. Really? Even accepting the premise, which is extremely dubious, that's the argument you're making?

Seriously. I'm trying to understand your argument. It sounds a lot like this:

Dogs are (more or less) gay.
Humans are like dogs.
Therefore, humans are gay.

Is that what you're saying? That's idiotic.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:30am PT
Donald you ignore Christ.

Which apparently made no impression on you.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:37am PT
I am an agnostic.
Jesus Christ is one of the last figures in history I would choose to ignore.

Not only do you play the part of an idiot.

You are a Liar about stupid shit
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:40am PT
MS55401

Your the one who said

eing gay happens but that does not mean being gay is normal from a biological scientific standpoint. It is unnatural

Point 1. normal from a biologic stand point. ergo my reply DOGS

Point 2 It is unnatural... WTH does that mean? The only things that are unnatural are thing that have never happened in the history of the universe.. ie .. nature
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:40am PT
I think having openly gay members would be a huge improvement over the rampant repressed homosexuality they currently foster. But the BSA sucks, regardless.

Same could be said of ST...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:42am PT
ahhh sh#t.. that was Q-Ball who said that.. ahh well
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:15am PT
LDS church is largest sponsor of the Boy Scouts in the U.S.

Also the largest contributor to anti-gay marriage campaigns.

Asshole f*#ks.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:45am PT
hey there say, all...


as to anastasia's quotes:

It's a yes and no thing for me...

I think each troop should have it's own policies. Especially since many Churches run scout troops. I think a troop being forced to accept someone they naturally would not isn't a good thing either. I would hate to see a gay boy put in a place where people will try to "cure" him, not really accept him. It can become a very hostile environment, etc. which doesn't do anyone any favors. Policies do not change behavior...

Yet I think if there is a troop opened minded enough to handle such a child, it can work. Why the heck not... I just think it's important for a parent of a gay child to be careful what they ask from others, especially folks that are not willing. Forcing folks creates new levels of hostility that will not help anyone grow, evolve, etc. Now if a parent of a gay child will take it on themselves to create a troop that is good for their child, willing to go the extra mile and find other children that wouldn't mind it... Then I agree. Especially since the troop is designed for just that in the first place, isn't bending others who are not ready for such an evolution. :)


i always just think of groups and organizations, the same as this, how she mentioned... personal take, on what you want to do with folks, that enjoy doing things where you have stuff in common:

so if you don't feel part of one group, just find another, where the comaraderie is...

but then, i tend to see things in a match-match type way...

when one thing does not match what we want to do, find another match that works... and there, you fourish...

to me, it is just 'groups' where you learn stuff...
so i never thought much more on it...


now:
it if was schools, etc, or such, refusing others that have a differet
preference on what they do, as to who the person is:

that is wrong as, schools, and public things, are for all...

groups just seem to be that... seperate 'things' to help folks do
stuff they like, in a familiar or easy to 'break from the homefront'
type place...


telling folks how to change and run a group, can get
the group into a whole public function, and then folks
may as well, just go to public camps and function, etc...
or as to whatever the club is...

i reckon that some folks need these groups, more than others...

me and my kids, we just did everything public...
no one was excluded, or felt excluded then, and folks
had open learning as to how the world is full of many
various kinds of folks, race, inner-feelings, religion/non religions,
polictical, etc...


NOTE:
the only groups we ran into were perhaps the dance group
that i had at the recreation hall, but then THAT was a group
open to the public, there too...


and it was 'labled for woman', see--it was for ladies, as, many of the ladies would have been feeling unable to learn to dance, if there were men there, and it would have been
unfair to force the ladies to do that...

men, had their own classes... but woman, whether some where gay or not,
were still comfortable with seeing each other learn to dance, than seeing men--more of a 'men make fun of woman' type thing...



i can see the whole thing from any views, sure makes someone
upset though, no matter which way changes go... :(
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:57am PT
Growing up my brother thought "missionary style" meant butt sex, because that's the only way missionaries could have sex.
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