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locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:37pm PT


Ban the Boyscouts...

Problem solved!!!...



Snowmassguy

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Calirado
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder described as exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (11 or younger).

The BSA are aged 11-18 (primarly postpubescent children).

So, child molestation would involve a minor (any age under 18).

Pedophilia involves a child under 12.

All pedophiles are child molesters, but the vast majority of child molesters are not pedophiles.


You have the rationale of a liberal psycho....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Ah yes, discussing terms used in medical diagnoses is the trademark of a psycho. Go drink a beer or 12 and play with your guns you fuknard.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
I see, Blue.

You define aomeone who is gay having sex with a teenager as a pervert....but someone who is straight having sex with a teen as JUST FINE.

I guess you are part of that fine southern religious tradition of folks getting married to children of 12. Hoo-Yah.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 5, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
God blurring, you are such a fuking idiot!
More Air

Trad climber
S.L.C.
Feb 5, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
I think the perception by some that a gay troop leader is going to automatically assault your kid is totally wrong.

Yeah, and I don't believe that there is much, if any correlation between gays and pedophiles.

The issue is with campouts. With gays there will be a small percentage of them that may come on to the boys in that setting...it's happened before and it's going to creep them out. As a leader it's much harder to keep track of all that in an outdoor situation... it's not a good mix.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:13am PT
Speaking strictly of scout on scout action... I can see how it might be uncomfortable for a scout to have another scout hit on them. But probably no more uncomfortable than the countless times I was asked to praise Jesus and bless sh#t... or listen to how so and so felt their imaginary friend's hand pull them from the icey waters.

If you don't want to be around religious homophobic fuknards, BS may not be the place for you. Which is fine, as long as the ones that specifically exclude gays don't get special tax exempt status...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:25am PT
The issue is with campouts. With gays there will be a small percentage of them that may come on to the boys in that setting...it's happened before and it's going to creep them out. As a leader it's much harder to keep track of all that in an outdoor situation... it's not a good mix.

WAIT A MINUTE!

The boy scouts prohibit scout leaders from being gay.

so how has "this happened before????????"

HOW?

Document what you say, or be seen as the poser that you are......
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:28am PT
If you don't want to be around religious homophobic fuknards, BS may not be the place for you. Which is fine, as long as the ones that specifically exclude gays don't get special tax exempt status...

EXACTLY what this is all about. The Boy Scouts, the organization, is being increasingly isolated because of their national policy.

They seek to shed the national policy, and allow locals to make their own decision.

No national policy against gays. Neat, eh?

Guess how many locals will open up?
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:51am PT
Perhaps germane to the topic: Chris Hitchens on Baden Powell

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2004/06/hitchens.htm
More Air

Trad climber
S.L.C.
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:48am PT
The issue is with campouts. With gays there will be a small percentage of them that may come on to the boys in that setting...it's happened before and it's going to creep them out. As a leader it's much harder to keep track of all that in an outdoor situation... it's not a good mix.

WAIT A MINUTE!

The boy scouts prohibit scout leaders from being gay.

so how has "this happened before????????"

HOW?

Document what you say, or be seen as the poser that you are......


Good question! I heard it as a comment on a local radio talk show by a caller and again on a local news blog...Deseret News.

The BSA isn't for everyone. Most of it's sponsors are Christian churches...so you'll likely get that element, but my experience as a scout and as a volunteer leader is that it's mostly positive. I've had kids years later thank me for all of the great, fun activities & campouts that they normally wouldn't have ever done. Scouting helped fuel my interest in climbing.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
While I am troubled by the "Christian" foundation of scouting, and the common sponsorship of churches, I have no doubt that scouting has done many things very positive for many boys. Royal Robbins makes a very clear point of that in his autobiography.

A shame that it has this part of it that seems intolerant to me.
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