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GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Come over I'll bake you a cake. Also might suck your dick.


that's private.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Sin is a pleasure for a short season as the Good Book says. G-d has judged cities due to their immorality. Think Sodom and Gomorrah. Both taken out with meteor impacts. G-d does indeed throw stones as judgement.

You are argueing with Hashem Adonai Elohim, not manand you,

Klimmer, you are a 6th century dumbfuk to be an adult and believe that sh!t
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
really, LOL

you don't know the difference between private and public?

really? oh come on, no one is THAT stupid

are they?

Uhm yeah I really didn't know there were "private" restaurants that could get by with denying service for those reasons. I'm still highly dubious that your statement is factually true.

I did try to think of a legal way and the only way I could think of is if the restaurant only served owners. Yet I'm not even sure excluding ownership would be legal for those reasons.

I'm quite certain there are racist run restaurants.. I'd be shocked if there arn't a few that get by with it.

But then again slavery still exists too.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:29pm PT


ever heard of Augusta National Golf Club, where they play the Masters?

that is a PRIVATE club, the members OWN it and they decide who joins

they have dining rooms and restaurant in that PRIVATE club


they don't HAVE to let Jews, Blacks, Asian, Women, or even IDIOTS, or ANYONE eat there

get it yet? private versus public, think on it, take your time
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
That's it, Norton. Stab REAL hard with that finger, dig deep!

: /
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Feb 4, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Oh Klimmer I was a dead man the moment I was born.. I'm a sinner and have stopped pretending I could not be one a long time ago.

I do however try not to userb gods authority to judge my or anyone elses sins. But I'm sure I'm a hypocrit on that at times as well.

And how in the world does not allowing sinners in your church or organization constitute following Jesus'es example? That clearly is not biblical. Or for that matter even possible. Jesus even let Judas in his church. Assuming he knew what was gonna happen there it does seem to lend credence to the command to love your enemy.

That would be one hell of a small church now that I think about it... Like maybe one dead guy who is a ghost or something.


Climb2ski,

We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of G-d. That is why Yeshua HaMashiach came to Earth and willingly became the Lamb of G-d for the perfect atonement of our sins. He laid down his life for us, he loves us that much. All we have to do is accept it and be born again in the spirit of Adonai.

We all come in as sinners. Many of us have unspeakable backgrounds that we come from, but once we accept Hashem's grace through the perfect atoning blood of Yeshua, we are forgiven, and in genuine faith we will be born again. G-d will change you.

Once forgiven we aren't supposed to keep rolling around in the muck of sin. Yeshua said, "You're sins are forgiven you, now go and sin no more."

We will, we are human. But we can come to Hashem and ask forgiveness and he will pick us up off the floor again, brush us off and set us once again on the straight and narrow.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Climb2ski,

We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of G-d. That is why Yeshua HaMashiach came to Earth and willingly became the Lamb of G-d for the perfect atonement of our sins. He laid down his life for us, he loves us that much. All we have to do is accept it and be born again in the spirit of Adonai.

We all come in as sinners. Many of us have unspeakable backgrounds that we come from, but once we accept Hashem's grace through the perfect atoning blood of Yeshua, we are forgiven, and in genuine faith we will be born again. G-d will change you.

Once forgiven we aren't supposed to keep rolling around in the muck of sin. Yeshua said, "You're sins are forgiven you, now go and sin no more."

We will, we are human. But we can come to Hashem and ask forgiveness and he will pick us up off the floor again, brush us off and set us once again on the straight and narrow.


climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
I'm curious if Augusta membership policies have ever faced a serious legal challenge.

Regardless it is wrong.

They do have members with African ancestry and have at least invited women for membership. According to about 3 minutes of research I just did.

Like I said .. It is perhaps legal if only OWNERS are served.

This of course does not apply to the BSA. Since I was a member and never had any ownership.

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God may hold me to any standard he wishes I suppose. Not like I can stop him. But I see no point in lying to myself. I'm kinda into that beam, mote, rock throwing warning stuff myself.

That part makes a lot of sense to me. At least regarding basic sexuality stuff. Not so much when it comes to not stopping someone from hurting other people.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
Still don't see how this applies to the BSA.

Even less how it applies to putting a hell of a lot of pressure on organizations that are dead wrong.

This BSA policy is wrong and pretty stupid. I loved my time in the organization and I hate the idea of excluding someone from experiencing that simply due to sexual preference.

Indeed it seems to go against everything the BSA stands for.

The Oath

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

The Law

A Scout is:

Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent.


And before anyone goes off on the religious part of the rules.. those are particularly the ones that in my mind forbid excluding gays more than any other.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
For some, religion is great, because they will never develop the tools to know what is moral behavior, so the 'shotgun blast' to morality that religion gives is better than hoping that this lemming is going to come to the right conclusions about life.

However for some... we need to learn the tools to live the best life, and the model offered by almost all religions isn't with the perspective of the entirety of the human race but limited by social and geographic reasons. Big physically strong Males wrote the holy books, Buddhists found some good ways through life but I feel the full spectrum that this existence has to offer is wonderful...

I'm glad I evolved and learned what it was that mattered, but MOST importantly what DOESN'T matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxrQAv1S38
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
Still don't see how this applies to the BSA.

last reply to this, but I try again to answer your last above question


this applies to the BSA because they are a "private" organization, and not a "public" one

as such, again, they have decided since they were started to not allow gays

and again, by our US laws, they have every right to do that

see how this applies to the BSA yet?

by the way, I am an Eagle scout and I loved my boy scouts experience
I also understand they are not a public organization and they can let in, and not let in,
anyone they want, I hope you understand this now, even though you and me both don't like it. In fact, I turned in my Eagle badge in protest some years ago when I heard of a new group of fellow Eagles that were doing so in protest, maybe just maybe did some good in causing the BSA to now reconsider their ban on non heterosexuals
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
Well that video pretty much covered it didn't it.

I'd add to that road thing. Don't try to close roads to others who may need them.

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:45pm PT




"GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Feb 4, 2013 - 07:23pm PT


Come over I'll bake you a cake. Also might suck your dick.

that's private."
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Psilocyborg

climber
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
i really liked that video too, thanks!
More Air

Trad climber
S.L.C.
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:05am PT
climbski: "morally straight."

Whether you like it or not, many churches that sponsor the BSA will interpret that statement differently than you. Having been a Scout Master, and having been on many campouts with scouts, the issue is not that obvious. Younger scouts...11-14 years of age, is not an age where kids want to deal with gay issues...it's gonna make them real uncomfortable. From the experiences of the gay people I know, they didn't even consider that they were gay until they were older than that. The boys just want to hike around, fish, rappel, cook their favorite meal, play capture the flag, earn merit badges etc.




climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:18am PT
I Don't recall sexuality of any sort being much of an issue as a scout. I don't recall a scoutmaster ever bringing up the issue in ANY manner. Like you said we were just busy working on stuff and doing cool things with our friends.

It really puzzles me why being gay would be any more disruptive an issue than being fat or a slow runner. Probably less so. Any disruption based on these types of things is commonly dealt with pretty well by any decent scoutmaster.

I suppose this is one reason the ban really bothers me. It seems to be making a major issue of an almost non-existant one.


GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:20am PT
It really puzzles me why being a gay boy scout leader

Openly... not a problem.


Deep in the closet... now we got some issues.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:22am PT
Younger scouts...11-14 years of age, is not an age where kids want to deal with gay issues [...]

And yet it is the the age range where boys call each other "gay" and "faggot" quite a bit.

I know I did.

Maybe it would be better to teach them that there's nothing wrong being who you are.

If we can remove a few insults from the vernacular of children, I'm going to call that progress.
More Air

Trad climber
S.L.C.
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:25am PT
"I Don't recall sexuality of any sort being much of an open issue as a scout. At least not from the program point of view. I don't recall a scoutmaster ever bringing up the issue in ANY manner."

Well the issue shouldn't be brought up, but just like the BSA doesn't join up with girl scouts, they don't want to deal with similar problems.

Hyper charged kids is enough of a handful!

Dave said:
If we can remove a few insults from the vernacular of children, I'm going to call that progress.

Good point, we actually do teach that.


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