Vote to end the ban on gays in the Boy Scouts right now!

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GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Good step. Hopefully that organization can evolve past the Spanish inquisitions moral code. Lol.

Although I agree that you can have whatever hate clubs that make you happy do long as you don't act on it...
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
It's a yes and no thing for me...

I think each troop should have it's own policies. Especially since many Churches run scout troops. I think a troop being forced to accept someone they naturally would not isn't a good thing either. I would hate to see a gay boy put in a place where people will try to "cure" him, not really accept him. It can become a very hostile environment, etc. which doesn't do anyone any favors. Policies do not change behavior...

Yet I think if there is a troop opened minded enough to handle such a child, it can work. Why the heck not... I just think it's important for a parent of a gay child to be careful what they ask from others, especially folks that are not willing. Forcing folks creates new levels of hostility that will not help anyone grow, evolve, etc. Now if a parent of a gay child will take it on themselves to create a troop that is good for their child, willing to go the extra mile and find other children that wouldn't mind it... Then I agree. Especially since the troop is designed for just that in the first place, isn't bending others who are not ready for such an evolution. :)



Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
Neckerchiefs are gay.
mhay

climber
Reno, NV
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
Why next, people of color may want to join? Or women? Sheesh! These nerve of these people!

Or worse, an out ATHEIST! Which apparently they still won't accept, even if they change their policy on out gays.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
I was a Boy Scout until I got into high school, seemed a bit gay after that. The one guy who stayed in and became a scout leader was almost certainly gay. My scout master lived down the street from us, I remember being home on leave and my dad telling me about how the scout master (a very stand up guy) got outed for having swing parties at his house. That was a way weird conversation with dad in 1979, like all good dads he was straight up square.

I did not have my son join the scouts, really don't think they offer anything I can not provide, and I do not like their policy regarding gays.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
on the one hand its an organizations right to have rules. On the other , gays have a right to be gay. I dont deny either of their choosing.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 30, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
When I was a kid, the local scout master's son got beat up after we found out he was forcing the younger kids in the hood to suck his dick in their trailer.

I think having openly gay members would be a huge improvement over the rampant repressed homosexuality they currently foster. But the BSA sucks, regardless.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jan 30, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
I realize a lot of folks here at the Taco had great experiences in the Boy Scouts.

The only Boy Scout troop in the small Idaho town I grew up in was Mormon.

The Mormom Church has an elaborate & careful plan for their boy scouts.

http://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/scouting-handbook-2012.pdf?lang=eng

Kids from many faiths, including my slightly Christian background, joined the local Mormon troop. Some did very well, but I didn't. Guess I just wasn't good at being in a para-military youth group. I really am not a "joiner" or an "organization man" to this day.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 30, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
That was the scariest thing I've read in a LONG TIME.
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Jan 30, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
Vote to end the ban on anything anywhere anytime and this will be just peachy.
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
let's just ban banning stuff.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 30, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Many LDS church wards have been disregarding BSA policy and including gay youths in scouting activities. Generally, Mormon leaders believe including “chaste gays” in scouting is positive.

LDS church is largest sponsor of the Boy Scouts in the U.S.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55718242-78/church-lds-scouts-units.html.csp
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Jan 30, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
It's their right to refuse people.

It is? On what grounds? Too fat? Look too funny? Last name Obama?

I'm serious - I looked up thier rules and all it said was if your a certain age, can recite the pledge and know a square knot you're in. Which is total crap - its got to be a bowline. A bowline and the basic belay signals.

What bizarre kid organization asks them their sexual orientation anyway? Does the chess club do that? Little league? The Mickey Mouse Club? I thought it was only the Catholic Church that took an overt interest in a childs sexual orientation.

It is their right to refuse people huh. Yep its good to teach em young... you're either an insider or an outsider kid. No goddamn muslims either thank you very much.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Michelle posted:
I suspect many children who start the path don't have a clue about their sexual orientation.


...if the current genesis of early teens catalogue and classify themselves as gay or straight...they must be the first to do so!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
Donald they have been doing that for decades. They even make you do the pledge on your knees
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
You have humanity and goodness?

When did that happen? Congratulations!

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
FACT: private organizations, like the BSA, can and do legally have the right to refuse anyone, anyone, as a member, can refuse Jews, blacks, asians, gays, anyone

Make a club yourself right now, you can legally decide who can join.

There are rules that define club or organization for this legal interpretation

Remember Augusta National Golf Club where they play the Masters?

They have legally refused to admit women for 80 years, and just changed that policy a year ago.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
weird. they changed you say?

Let me guess..... huge numbers of people told them they were as#@&%es?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
Donald - you are regressing. Go to your corner and sing kumbaya
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