Vote to end the ban on gays in the Boy Scouts right now!

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damo62

Social climber
Brisbane
Feb 4, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
That's common f*#king NONsense Bluey, You are a homophobe!
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 4, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
As a former Scout myself, and father of a Life Scout, the concern I have is of gay Scoutmasters being Boy-Buggerers! No parent worth his or her salt will willingly send a child off to camp to be molested. Most youngsters haven't yet a clue about their own sexual orientations at the age in which Scouting begins. So...no...I will not vote for "allowing gays to be in scouts." It really isn't about the boys, is it?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
WOW... just.. really?

Was it this hard with slavery too?

In a way it's morbidly fascinating to see this historical process live.

You know the process whereby society goes from accepting evil as a necessity or even a virtue..

Too where even the racist KKK wouldn't do it. And it becomes a Felony


Same sh#t with Homosexuality.

Same day different century.. nothing new to see here.
SicMic

climber
two miles from Eldorado
Feb 4, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
Sorry to return to topic, but it's like Norton said a few pages ago. As a private org, the BSA can choose who to include within their ranks. This may be another instance where public opinion changes the status quo. While I would argue that public opinion is often right, I should point out that it is sometimes wrong.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
A private entity has no right to harmfully exclude people based on idiocy.

Try excluding any particular person with a specific skin color from your restaurant sometime. Well you might get by with it a few times if you are sneaky how you do it but a good chance that eventually the law will get you as it should.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
So...Climbski2...are YOU a parent? The business of being PC pales into insignificance to parents. I'm hopeful that someday a grandson of mine will become a Scout, and I really wouldn't appreciate a sexual predator as a Scoutmaster. This is really an issue involving parents, and not the general public as a whole. So..if you and your butthole buddy want to bugger one another, have at. I really don't givva schitt.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
Ken M, please don't confuse me with the homophobic dipshits here. I am absolutely NOT saying homosexuals molest children. Sorry if it came off that way.

I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children. I'm not sure how much you have dealt with Mormons, but they tend to have pretty twisted views on sexuality... especially homosexuality.

I am a firm believer that homosexuality is perfectly healthy, perfectly normal, and in no way predisposes anyone to child molestation. Religions that suppress natural sexual tendencies and retard sexual development are another story.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Has nothing to do with being PC. Anastasia nailed it in an above post. Predators exist of course and good parents don't fool themselves as to what one might look like or base their comfort on prejudice. Prejudice is blindness and blindness disables your ability to protect your children.

How dumb is your logic.. the boyscouts are safer because they ban gays? really..yeah that really protected all those kids from abuse.. cause I mean no predator would be a liar about it..

sickening discussion really on so many levels.

Oh and My butt buddies? I'll take that intended insult as an honor.. regardless what my preferences may be.

It's always an honor to be attacked standing up for what is right.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
The Boy Scouts of America is a traditional faith based organization. Most are of the Judeo-Christian faith and world view. The Holy Bible calls homosexuality a sin. It's wrong. Sin is a pleasure for a short season as the Good Book says. G-d has judged cities due to their immorality. Think Sodom and Gomorrah. Both taken out with meteor impacts. G-d does indeed throw stones as judgement.

You are argueing with Hashem Adonai Elohim, not man. We are just pointing out the Holy scripture where G-d condemns this sin.


We Are the Boy Scouts of America: The Importance of Faith
http://www.scouting.org/filestore/doc/faith.doc


This will destroy The Boy Scouts of America and will completely undermine its faith based origin.

But isn't that really the agenda of the Gay Pride movement? To force the sin in the face of everyone who doesnt agree with their sin? With seared conscience and absolute defiance and false pride in the face of G-d?

Good luck on that. Judgement comith from the Lord. I'm just gonna step aside and pray for you and our country. I'm not going to stand in the way of sinners. We aren't supposed to. But I will tell you the road is washed out ahead that you are hell bent on racing toward and ends in a big cliff. You're choice to keep driving toward it with a seared conscience.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
Oh Klimmer I was a dead man the moment I was born.. I'm a sinner and have stopped pretending I could not be one a long time ago.

I do however try not to userb gods authority to judge my or anyone elses sins. But I'm sure I'm a hypocrit on that at times as well.

And how in the world does not allowing sinners in your church or organization constitute following Jesus'es example? That clearly is not biblical. Or for that matter even possible. Jesus even let Judas in his church. Assuming he knew what was gonna happen there it does seem to lend credence to the command to love your enemy.

That would be one hell of a small church now that I think about it... Like maybe one dead guy who is a ghost or something.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
climb2ski said

A private entity has no right to harmfully exclude people based on idiocy.

Try excluding any particular person with a specific skin color from your restaurant sometime. Well you might get by with it a few times if you are sneaky how you do it but a good chance that eventually the law will get you as it should.

you are confused factually, and therefore your conclusion is wrong

a restaurant, if a PUBLIC one, cannot by Federal law "exclude" race, creed, color, sex, or national origin

a PRIVATE restaurant CAN "exclude" ANYONE for ANY REASON, including your "idiocy"

get the difference? private versus public?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children

I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children

I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children


I would have RuPaul babysit my nephew before I let Michelle Bachmanns wife, ANY DAY.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
No. Lol.. what is a private restaurant?

Has only one customer.. the owner(s)

SO unless the scouts only allow owners of the BSA to attend I don't see how they can consider themselves purely a private entity.

Regardless in the case of the BSA their policy is very morally wrong.

Like I said it is MORBIDLY interesting seeing the historical process of an accepted abomination become and unaccepted abomination.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
No. Lol.. what is a private restaurant?


really, LOL

you don't know the difference between private and public?

really? oh come on, no one is THAT stupid

are they?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Come over I'll bake you a cake. Also might suck your dick.


that's private.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Sin is a pleasure for a short season as the Good Book says. G-d has judged cities due to their immorality. Think Sodom and Gomorrah. Both taken out with meteor impacts. G-d does indeed throw stones as judgement.

You are argueing with Hashem Adonai Elohim, not manand you,

Klimmer, you are a 6th century dumbfuk to be an adult and believe that sh!t
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
really, LOL

you don't know the difference between private and public?

really? oh come on, no one is THAT stupid

are they?

Uhm yeah I really didn't know there were "private" restaurants that could get by with denying service for those reasons. I'm still highly dubious that your statement is factually true.

I did try to think of a legal way and the only way I could think of is if the restaurant only served owners. Yet I'm not even sure excluding ownership would be legal for those reasons.

I'm quite certain there are racist run restaurants.. I'd be shocked if there arn't a few that get by with it.

But then again slavery still exists too.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:29pm PT


ever heard of Augusta National Golf Club, where they play the Masters?

that is a PRIVATE club, the members OWN it and they decide who joins

they have dining rooms and restaurant in that PRIVATE club


they don't HAVE to let Jews, Blacks, Asian, Women, or even IDIOTS, or ANYONE eat there

get it yet? private versus public, think on it, take your time
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
That's it, Norton. Stab REAL hard with that finger, dig deep!

: /
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Feb 4, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Oh Klimmer I was a dead man the moment I was born.. I'm a sinner and have stopped pretending I could not be one a long time ago.

I do however try not to userb gods authority to judge my or anyone elses sins. But I'm sure I'm a hypocrit on that at times as well.

And how in the world does not allowing sinners in your church or organization constitute following Jesus'es example? That clearly is not biblical. Or for that matter even possible. Jesus even let Judas in his church. Assuming he knew what was gonna happen there it does seem to lend credence to the command to love your enemy.

That would be one hell of a small church now that I think about it... Like maybe one dead guy who is a ghost or something.


Climb2ski,

We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of G-d. That is why Yeshua HaMashiach came to Earth and willingly became the Lamb of G-d for the perfect atonement of our sins. He laid down his life for us, he loves us that much. All we have to do is accept it and be born again in the spirit of Adonai.

We all come in as sinners. Many of us have unspeakable backgrounds that we come from, but once we accept Hashem's grace through the perfect atoning blood of Yeshua, we are forgiven, and in genuine faith we will be born again. G-d will change you.

Once forgiven we aren't supposed to keep rolling around in the muck of sin. Yeshua said, "You're sins are forgiven you, now go and sin no more."

We will, we are human. But we can come to Hashem and ask forgiveness and he will pick us up off the floor again, brush us off and set us once again on the straight and narrow.
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