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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
You are confusing the religion of Judaism with Jewish ethnicity. A common mistake.

I reserve the right to dis any and all silly Judaic bullshit people choose to believe in. At the same time, I love my gf's latkes and only make fun of her Jew nose when she deserves it. See the difference yet?
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 31, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
You are confusing the religion of Judaism with Jewish ethnicity. A common mistake.

I reserve the right to dis any and all silly Judaic bullshit people choose to believe in. At the same time, I love my gf's latkes and only make fun of her Jew nose when she deserves it. See the difference yet?

Well I suppose the Mormons in Salt Lake (at least the ones descended from the original Mormon settlers) have a Mormon "ethnicity" that is just as real as Jewish ethnicity.

But I don't know about this "ethnicity" stuff--yeah Hitler believed there was something to it, but we don't have to agree with him. Seems to me that jews (at least of the Ashkenazi variety) are just white people with (sometimes) big noses, unless they (or a Hitler type) choose to make it into something more. Lots of Jews do of course, but lots don't. For them, forcing an "ethnicity" onto them seems to make about as much sense as forcing any other gringo to make some (artificial) connection with whatever particular patch of Europe his ancestors happened to wander around on before they got on the boat.

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
Philip K. Dick
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
you are an idiot
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
mechrist writes:
you are an idiot

Wes,

You're trying to bring the juvenile arrogance of RC.com here.

It will play better there.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Lets make it easier for them. Much like the Catholic hierarchy did for the priests.

If their caught buggering children we can just transfer them to the other end of the country, or perhaps to a third world country.

This, plus some other posts, lay out the problem.

Ignorant people who have no training nor expertise, use a "common sense"
approach to dealing with child sexual predators.

The Boy Scouts have done this, the Catholic church, as well.

They take the position that an adult molests a young boy. Obviously, the boys need to be protected from homosexuals.

Only one problem.....

Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle.

So, when you wonder why the long program to purge gays has not resulted in less molestation.......they're purging the wrong people.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle...

... usually with aggressively suppressed homosexual desires/curiosities, otherwise the victimization of little girls by trusted religious officials would be equally prevalent.

The following was conducted at BYU. But as Jennie will vehemently point out, it is NOT part of church doctrine. Besides, it was soo long ago... nothing like that occurs today... that would be horrible publicity.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/mormon-gay-cures-reparative-therapies-shock-today/story?id=13240700
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle.


Most child molesters don't really have any adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
Jennie, in case you missed it...

Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles.

Offenders are classified as fixated or regressed. What do you think might lead to those psychological disorders?

BYU honor code: "Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings."

During the 70s, the psychology department at Brigham Young University experimented with electroshock aversion therapy in an attempt to cure homesexuality. Patients who went through BYU's program were shown erotic pictures of people of the same sex. When the counselors monitoring the patient sensed he or she was getting aroused, an electrical shock would be delivered to the patient.

http://suite101.com/article/byu-electroshock-aversion-therapy-a33025

But, hey, yeah, BYU "accepts" people of all sexual orientation... wouldn't want to miss out on that 10% or get any discrimination lawsuits filed against them...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
Jennie, since you live deep within your own little hole of denial regarding the actions of your religious leaders...

Twice a week for six months, he jolted himself with painful shocks to the penis to rid himself of his attraction to men.

"As teens we were taught that homosexuality was second only to murder in the eyes of God," he said.

Oh, right, that isn't "official" LSD doctrine... so it doesn't count... never happened... just turn the other cheek...
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
I said nothing about your link, Wes...

But you're quite nebulous about what is church DOCTRINE

Because a Mormon psychologist opts to experiment with behavior modification on volunteers...doesn't validate any of his opinions as church doctrine...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
A Moron psychologist... at BYU... THE Moron university that has such tight control over their sheeple that they will expel you for having sideburns... opts to SHOCK PARTICIPANTS' PENISES TO PUNISH THEM FOR HOMOSEXUAL AROUSAL... does not make it official church doctrine... it simply makes the Moron leadership and the stupid sheeple who follow ignorant fuknards.

d'Nile
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
BYU did not pioneer the use of aversion therapy as a treatment for homosexuality and it ceased use of the therapy decades before the American Psychological Association stopped recommending the practice. BYU was one of many places where research in this area was done.

One of the alleged participants in this sensationalized ABC story admitted he was never part of the aversion therapy study at BYU.


http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_gender_issues/Same-sex_attraction/Aversion_therapy_performed_at_BYU
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
I thought the guy was shocking only his own penis

and it was not church doctrine

hard to believe the Mormon church would advocate penis shocking
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
OMG, you are right. That must mean my 5 friends who were sexual abused by trusted religious leaders were lying. I understand now, the BYU penis shocking was just a phase... they grew out of it... besides, everyone was doing it. Everyone, as in a few other religious fukheads.


The Moron church "advocates" a lot of crazy sh#t that is not official church doctrine for obvious tax exemption and public perception reasons.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles.

I thought they were called "priests," not pedophiles.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Wes,

I thought ONE GUY said he shocked his dick to supposedly stop them homo thoughts.

How did this get to more than one guy, who else was doing this?

and when did this ever become any kind of church "doctrine"?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
hard to believe the Mormon church would advocate penis shocking

The LDS church didn't advocate this, Norton. The link I offered might confer a little more clarity to the study and its context in aversion therapy experiments common in that era, and carried out by many research institutions.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
Yes, Jennie's link should clarify everything...

"Defending Mormonism..."

Anyway, point is, the Moron church is a very accepting organization that in no way aims to suppress the desires of its homosexual members... producing nothing but wholesome men with no repressed sexual desires that may manifest in the Moron dominated BSA.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boy-scouts-release-perversion-files-article-1.1186343
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Anyway, point is, the Moron church is a very accepting organization that in no way aims to suppress the desires of its homosexual members... producing nothing but wholesome men with no repressed sexual desires that may manifest in the Moron dominated BSA.



The LDS Church doesn't dominate the Boy Scouts of America.

Boy Scout total membership is 3,770,907 of which 420,977 are sposored by the LDS which figues at 11% of the total BSA membership.

The LDS Church is the largest individual sponsor...but there are many other sponsors; churches, civic and citizen groups, PTA, private schools etc.

The LDS sponsor 7% of the Boy Scouts in Canada.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Jennie, I have no idea who you are but it's clear that whenever the words "Mormon" appear on ST, you always contribute.

Nationally, Mormons do not dominate the BSA. BUT, if you are live in California (especially Sacramento) or Utah or Arizona the Mormon Church heavily dominates.

There is NO way you can argue that the Mormon church doesn't heavily influence BSA policy. Impossible.
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