Vote to end the ban on gays in the Boy Scouts right now!

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Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 30, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
BSA is currently conducting a poll regarding a change in current policies. Call 972-580-2330 and vote to end the ban.

michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 30, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
Sigh. Why join an organization that has been around for a very long time, that is known to not accept homosexual individuals?

It's their right to refuse people. They shouldn't be pressured into changing their ways, no matter how you feel about them.

Join another organization.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 30, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
"Join another organization"









The Girl Scouts.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 30, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Yeah forcing those Diners to serve folks was bad in the 60's too eh?
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 30, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
*ba dum peeeeeshh*


But no, seriously. I'm not homophobic or anti gay, but I just can't see why would you want to join an organization that doesn't want you?

Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
Wow, really?
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 30, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
Wow, my opinion, really?


Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
I suspect many children who start the path don't have a clue about their sexual orientation.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
but I just can't see why would you want to join an organization that doesn't want you?

Too change it into a great experience for all.

Once it changes, and it will, then more folks will have the fantastic experience of Boy Scouts. Both sides will benefit.

So let's get this change done and buried in the past as soon as possible.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
The BSA is a horrible, horrible organization... at least in Utah. No self-respecting person would ever expose their kids to that bullsh#t.

Homoclimbtastic is a WAY better organization.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
Yeah, they should also accept girls in the Boy Scouts. hehehe
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:12pm PT


Get rid of the boy scouts all together...


Girls scouts get a "PASS" for the future, and their COOKIES...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
I say that Scout leaders should take a leadership course through homoclimbtastic.
Not that they really deserve to have as much fun as it must be there.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
"It's their right to refuse people."

That's true...the SCOTUS confirmed this right, and they stuck to their policies.

Their recent announcement of a potential/likely reversal of this policy is clear evidence that they are reacting to the will & interests of their members, and the society of parents who are considering whether the BSA is the kind of organization they want their kids to be associated with.

Like so many other archaic socially conservative (aka retarded) practices that have existed in our country, this one appears destined for the dustbin of history. It's about time.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
I suspect many children who start the path don't have a clue about their sexual orientation.

Well, statistically, most people are straight (somewhere between 75% and 99%). So I suspect that someone who has not yet discovered their sexual orientation can still make a fairly good guess about it. Then again, if the 25% gay rate among males is true, the BSA is probably already 23% gay.

As to joining an organization that doesn't want you, everyone has the right to tell other people what they want. It's part of their freedom of speech. If someone wants to change the Buy Scouts of America to accept gays, that is there prerogative. Their reasons for this are their own and they have already decided that they want to be in an organization that doesn't want them.

Heck, it is part of our very political process to try to change the organization instead of leaving it. People don't leave the USA because the laws don't work like they want; they try to change it. Why can't the BSA be the same?

Dave
John Butler

Social climber
SLC, Utah
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:21pm PT

darn busy signals...

must be a popular poll... or a shortage of lines

:-)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Then again, if the 25% gay rate among males is true, the BSA is probably already 23% gay.

There is a big difference between being gay and being a religitard with repressed homosexual tendencies. The BSA and Catholic Crutch attract the latter.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Good step. Hopefully that organization can evolve past the Spanish inquisitions moral code. Lol.

Although I agree that you can have whatever hate clubs that make you happy do long as you don't act on it...
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
It's a yes and no thing for me...

I think each troop should have it's own policies. Especially since many Churches run scout troops. I think a troop being forced to accept someone they naturally would not isn't a good thing either. I would hate to see a gay boy put in a place where people will try to "cure" him, not really accept him. It can become a very hostile environment, etc. which doesn't do anyone any favors. Policies do not change behavior...

Yet I think if there is a troop opened minded enough to handle such a child, it can work. Why the heck not... I just think it's important for a parent of a gay child to be careful what they ask from others, especially folks that are not willing. Forcing folks creates new levels of hostility that will not help anyone grow, evolve, etc. Now if a parent of a gay child will take it on themselves to create a troop that is good for their child, willing to go the extra mile and find other children that wouldn't mind it... Then I agree. Especially since the troop is designed for just that in the first place, isn't bending others who are not ready for such an evolution. :)



mhay

climber
Reno, NV
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
Why next, people of color may want to join? Or women? Sheesh! These nerve of these people!

Or worse, an out ATHEIST! Which apparently they still won't accept, even if they change their policy on out gays.
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