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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:39am PT
Mighty Hiker asked me to post this on his behalf, I'm a bit hurried tonight and way tired, so I have only skinned it.

“Some noticed that I am no longer posting on SuperTopo, and indeed about ten days ago I removed my relatively few recent posts, and asked that my account be deactivated. I have been posting less over the last few months, losing interest, and decided it was time to move on. To everything its season, and family, work, exercise, working on the Squamish history project and other things (maybe even climbing) must take priority, probably for some time. One distraction less will help. I’ll stay in touch with friends, perhaps lurk a bit, and of course be at the FaceLift, and perhaps similar events. Here are a few farewell remarks.



The furore over “boobgate” was perhaps a last straw, but not the cause. It’s hardly the first such train wreck on ST. It vividly illustrated the peril of a forum with little moderation, in that it was almost wholly inappropriate – apart from the blue-footed booby, that is. I don’t blame t*r for doing what she did, particularly as I believe she first posted to ask people to stop, and may also have sent a message to management. Perhaps the “nukes” were a bit juvenile, and two wrongs usually don’t make a right, but the thread itself was the problem – and it quickly got out of hand. The reaction of some to what t*r did, and things that were said about her, did little credit to those who said them, and ST. Shooting the messenger is usually counterproductive.



I’ve only corresponded by e-mail with t*r. However, it sounds like she’s surmounted significant challenges, is finding her feet in the adult world, and has ideals and passions. Not just climbing. Whatever real or imaginary whines they may have about her, I suspect that many of the grumpy old farts here envy her – and ST could do with more people like t*r. They’re part of the future of climbing, so let’s try to be graceful about it, eh?



Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, it’s pretty simple. Don’t post anything to ST that you wouldn’t say in person to whoever you’re addressing, or want the world to know about. It doesn’t have to be climbers talking about climbing – there are lots of other things that climbers can intelligently discuss, and well-behaved non-climbers too. And for those who insist on acting out, stay to your own threads. You can believe all you want in whatever you want – religion, politics, conspiracy theories, gun nuttery, hates for each other, and on and on – but keep it to yourselves, and to those threads. In connection with which I suggested to CMac that once a day they simply delete all threads that aren’t a) climbing-related, or b) civil discussions, preferably amongst climbers, about non-climbing matters, or c) a few clearly-identified threads (sandboxes) for the ranters to play in. Pour encourager les autres, as some general put it.



I deleted the first post on the “Climbing at Squamish in the 1970s” thread. It had served its purpose, hadn’t had much added to it for several years, and probably wasn’t often being looked at. Worse, I think I bungled with PhotoBucket, and my photos there, which were a good part of the thread (and in others) are gone. It had been several years since I looked at my PB account, ever since ST started allowing direct posting of photos. I don’t know what happened – maybe I missed an account renewal notice, or did something accidental, or just electronic gremlins. There didn’t seem much point to keeping the thread after that – although I have a pdf version of it from a while back for reference (only 25 MB).



I also deleted the first post of the Squamish Gondola thread. It also had served its purpose, as it appears that the promoters will have their way, after a badly flawed process. And I know an inside job when I see one. The question as to how the promoters acquired the land from The Land Conservancy, without the agreed-on and effective restrictive covenant, still remains very open. There’s no question that the government’s own policy wasn’t complied with – the Elders Council for Parks in B.C., an independent body which includes experienced retired civil servants (including those who wrote and applied the policy), put considerable effort into reviewing what had happened, and concluded that the policy clearly hadn’t been complied with. Well, although it’s an iconic provincial park, it’s now going to be gutted for local, private gain. The gondola supporters have made their bed, and now will have to lie in it. Assuming, that is, that they found some sucker to pay for it. Still, most puzzling of all is that two climbers spoke publicly in favour of the proposal (one even on ST) – without disclosing that they were contractors for the developers. I’ll never understand that.



(Both threads, of course, could still be found in truncated form.)



Good luck, and try to behave yourselves!”
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2013 - 01:17am PT
Mighty Hiker asked me to post this on his behalf, I'm a bit hurried tonight and way tired, so I have only skinned it.

So if I have something I want to say, but am too cowardly to say it myself, should I send it to you to post for me?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2013 - 01:25am PT
Ah, Dingus. Thanks for making me laugh. I needed it.

Cheers

D
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:25am PT
But we had a BOOBS THREAD, started by a WOMAN. ( you can't find THAT anywhere else on the net )

Isn't THAT better than having someone like Anders around? ( beause that was the choice )

Someone apparently thought so, because that's what we got.

Thanks, guys. Good work.

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:46am PT
I am supposed to feel bad cuz I'm still here.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:49am PT




Well I huffed and I puffed but I still couldnt control a damn thing,

except myself.
QITNL

climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 03:38am PT
Full Metal Salute to Mighty Hiker! Thanks DMT.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 5, 2013 - 03:45am PT
"I love Anders, but he brings too much civility to ST"

---Curt Johnson 2007




Best Wishes, Anders!
QITNL

climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 03:52am PT
Yeah, here's mud in your eye.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 5, 2013 - 09:15am PT
Anders account is still active, he wasn't deactivated. Hopefully he'll pop back in with some great climbing content on occasion. Take care Anders, thanks for the other 24116 posts you left as a legacy. Speaking for myself, I appreciated your company and thank you for the many positive contributions you made.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:46am PT


couchmaster- is it knott time to update your very important list?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Even if you're a brave motherf*#ker with a deactivated account I'll still post it, if you ask nicely.

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=Oz04NDQ9PyE,
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
A regular net detective!

Lol.

DMT

It gets better...

Mighty Hiker basically confirmed that he was one of many people who received an email from "t*r" imploring them to sabotage the forum ("because they can't ban us all"). I'd bet a large sum of money DMT received one as well. In case anyone missed it, Mighty Hiker posted a huge string of photos (banner ads) shortly before the thread disappeared. One other user (who shall remain nameless to prevent further embarrassment) also posted the same images as "t*r" had earlier (evidently having received the links from "t*r"), but it was a rather feeble attempt as she didn't copy/paste dozens of lines as "t*r" had. Oops! "Epic fail" as they say...

It's a histrionic masterpiece!!!!!

lol

Indeed, this whole drama-queen saga with the hacking conspiracy twist is one of the all-time best.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
[posted before the "ps" edit above]

I'll take your 50 large and raise you 100!!!!!!!!!!1111

Struck a nerve there, eh?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Since there are 4 confirmed emails that were sent, why would she knott send one to her veritable knight in shining armor?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Re: the gondola thread, he nuked it so we can welch on our bet much more easily when it gets built. Right Anders??
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Take it easy pa'dners, THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS !

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
t*r put me on her shltlist after I started a thread politely asking her to explain the "women get paid $.69 on the dollar" thing.

I'm all for gentlemanly conduct but thats just a tad bit too touchy for a climbing site.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
So I'm a liar?

Hey man I have no beef with you, we go way back in cyber-land. I just thought it odd that she would implore a bunch of people to sabotage the forum and knott you, but if you say she didn't I'll leave it at that.

I've made no secret of my distain for the (now 30-something) adult-child over the years, based on her histrionics and antagonistic trolling on this forum, and am frankly perplexed as to why she always got a pass from so many of you, seemingly blissfully ignorant of her antisocial behavior. I mean, why knott stick up for Rajmit?

That said, I don't hold grudges generally, and I actually posted something very nice about her recently.
WBraun

climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
No she didn't.

She put up some big jpegs and wanted to bomb the thread not the site.

All the cry babies then cried to mama (Chris Mac), because they're little cry babies over a stupid worthless thread that can be found in a billion places on the internet (boobs).

Thus certain people here are stupid babies in adult packages.

What a bunch of losers ....
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