18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Even your report says at least 37% come from the US. Put the U.S. on your list of countries that are a gun problem for Mexico.

Since you don't list the U.S. as a gun problem, I'll take it you think AL-KI-DER is a bigger factor. You brought it up.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Amen Werner.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Sounds like a Nigerian scam to me, I want to see pictures.

In all seriousness, this is really sad. People are always looking for a reason for these things, something to make it explainable. No one outright denounces violence and killing anymore.

Mexico has much stricter gun control laws than the US. It makes sense they would look abroad and specifically to us (we are closest) to get their weapons.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
This kind of stupid sh#t can be stopped by having the civilian population of Mexico become organized and just going to the drug lords hangouts and kill em all.

Just slaughter all those fukers. Be done with those stupid dumbsh!ts.

No courts, arrests, no fuking trials just waste em all.

There's no other way.

All the legal ways are corrupt and run by all those stupid fukers .....

actually Werner is on to something. I read the other day that Mexican villagers are arming themselves against the cartels. I will try and find the article.

the drug war is all about money. the way to financially defeat an enemy is to cut off their source off income. imo,, drugs should be legal in this country.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Fox.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Fox was a gem compared to Calderon..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
ol ticklikker tu
ol ticklikker tu
Credit: Ron Anderson



Im READY! We shall take Mexico, throw or shoot the nare-do-wells from the pres on down to the corrupt popo and military, all cartels and known gang members as well. we will put a chip in crime here and there the likes before NEVER seen on the globe.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
'Sick And Tired,' Residents In Southern Mexico Defend Themselves ...
http://www.wbur.org/.../sick-and-tired-residents-in-southern-mexico-defend- themselves - Cached
2 days ago ... But he says people started talking about fighting back. ... to the violent drug war in Mexico that has claimed more than 50,000 lives in the past ...
Mexican village turns vigilante to fight drug cartel | The Raw Story
http://www.rawstory.com/.../mexican-village-turns-vigilante-to-fight-drug-cartel/ - Cached
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
The civilian population and the cartels are not completely separate entities.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
There's no other way

Are you sure?
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
philo, that's it
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Well, there goes my planned trip to Mexico. I am now thinking Les Calanques or Paklenica National Park in Croatia, much closer, and safer and I have climbed at both. Good limestone. Wait, I need money for a climbing holiday, darn, I should have thought about that.

Coz, I interviewed Carlos Salinas once, in London (1989). Of course at the time he had some of his own controversies as prez of Mexico and after.


If this had happened to the American climbers instead of the band, we could have long thread full of rants about how they aren't real climbers, should have hired guides, shouldn't have been there in the first place, were insensitive the locals, should have listened to the locals, deserved everything that happened to them, or how nothing happened to them and it was all an elaborate hoax to defraud supertopians out of their hard-earned money.

Graniteclimber, I don't know what to think of you. I have a couple of choice words, but I won't use them. I don't want to start a flaming war. But the connection you are trying to make is nebulous and disingenuous at best.

I am trying to be less judgmental and opinionated in life.

Safe climbing dude, with your karma, you need all the safety you can get.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
ElCap,,,ask the dead in mexico, by the hundreds of thousands.....
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
Horrible... Just plain horrible and yes... I think going to Mexico under this kind of b.s. is stupid. They love kidnapping gringos and ransoming them for money. Even if your relatives do pay, their loved one/victim is usually already dead.

Plus we already lost a surfer Mexican kid from Ventura over there. They found him murdered a year after his disappearance. His parents are walking ghosts.

My two cents is there is great climbing all over the U.S. and Canada. Tons more overseas. Just please skip Mexico and any other violent hot spot. Yes, folks still go there and come back bragging about how they never saw trouble. Yet if you ever do find trouble, will you survive it? That's my big question. Will you have the chance to go back and talk about it?

I also think the U.S. should go in there with the cooperation of the Mexican government and just wipe them out. They are true evil, chopping up families, women, kids, etc. Time to clean them out.


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
Does any one else remember the movie Clear and Present Danger with Harrison Ford?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
bleeding ears from bad music is usually a metaphor
rick d

climber
ol pueblo, az
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
I have a really hard time believing that offshore $350 full auto ak's are harder to come by than $1000-$1500 US made rifles that require welding and machining to become full auto in Mexico. The gun market in the US is here to make money by selling to gun lovers who have dough and can buy most anything. If you want something that will shoot rival gang members or make a statement about one group liking a band - you don't need a Krebs custom AK to do that. I'd like to see the real statistics on which guns came from the US. Somehow I believe the US guns are Lorcins (a true POS) and pakistani sourced HK's are the real firepower.

The Mexican drug lords make money off the appetite of american users. Big dollars mean tough business practices-which have stepped over the bounds acceptable to many mexican citizens.

I spent a decade representing and selling farms, land, and ranches in Sonora and traveled the backcounty of the state extensively. I don't know if I will ever go back.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
You can take a good sized ship to Pakistan and buy all the AK's you want
for $50 each and Bob's your uncle - instant army/cartel/sailing arms merchant.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
All your SuperTopo bullshit seems pretty f*#king lame now, eh?
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Killing is always justified... by those perpetuating it. Unless we accept that all killing is wrong regardless and never justified, we will always have killing.

What is worse is that there is an obvious and realistic non-violent solution to all of this, the legalization of drugs.

How many people on this thread saying the villagers should rise up against the cartels are for stricter gun control?
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