monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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Your the one blaming AL-KI-DER. How bizarre is that?
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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This kind of stupid sh#t can be stopped by having the civilian population of Mexico become organized and just going to the drug lords hangouts and kill em all.
Just slaughter all those fukers. Be done with those stupid dumbsh!ts.
No courts, arrests, no fuking trials just waste em all.
There's no other way.
All the legal ways are corrupt and run by all those stupid fukers .....
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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no,, i said there IS al-kay-duh influence there. STOP twisting my words to suit your vein..
edit: Werener, Yes the mexican PO po is just a tool for others much the same with their military (so to speak) . Meanwhile the good poor folk of mexico get dismembered and limed away to nothing. Like in CiadJuarez and many other towns.
If there IS ANY country the US SHOULD invade,, it IS the one that inflicts us right from the border up. Why not solve mexicos problem and give it back to the good decent folks of Mexico. Maybe we can take the no admittance signs down from US SOIL and travel that country taking bird pics and climbing on what once (NOW) was off limits to you and me.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
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Even your report says at least 37% come from the US. Put the U.S. on your list of countries that are a gun problem for Mexico.
Since you don't list the U.S. as a gun problem, I'll take it you think AL-KI-DER is a bigger factor. You brought it up.
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Hankster
Social climber
Golden, CO
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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Amen Werner.
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coz
Gym climber
Belmont
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
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Hank and Werner, that was just tried by the last president of Mexico, can you name him?
If it were that easy it would have been done years ago.
This is silly, I love you guys, but sometimes....????
Your very assertion is what has lead to the 100k deaths and the current situation.
Anyway, I'm training again and will be gunning for both your old asses soon : ))
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
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Sounds like a Nigerian scam to me, I want to see pictures.
In all seriousness, this is really sad. People are always looking for a reason for these things, something to make it explainable. No one outright denounces violence and killing anymore.
Mexico has much stricter gun control laws than the US. It makes sense they would look abroad and specifically to us (we are closest) to get their weapons.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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This kind of stupid sh#t can be stopped by having the civilian population of Mexico become organized and just going to the drug lords hangouts and kill em all.
Just slaughter all those fukers. Be done with those stupid dumbsh!ts.
No courts, arrests, no fuking trials just waste em all.
There's no other way.
All the legal ways are corrupt and run by all those stupid fukers .....
actually Werner is on to something. I read the other day that Mexican villagers are arming themselves against the cartels. I will try and find the article.
the drug war is all about money. the way to financially defeat an enemy is to cut off their source off income. imo,, drugs should be legal in this country.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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Fox.
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Hankster
Social climber
Golden, CO
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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Fox was a gem compared to Calderon..
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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Im READY! We shall take Mexico, throw or shoot the nare-do-wells from the pres on down to the corrupt popo and military, all cartels and known gang members as well. we will put a chip in crime here and there the likes before NEVER seen on the globe.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
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The civilian population and the cartels are not completely separate entities.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
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There's no other way
Are you sure?
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
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philo, that's it
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
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Well, there goes my planned trip to Mexico. I am now thinking Les Calanques or Paklenica National Park in Croatia, much closer, and safer and I have climbed at both. Good limestone. Wait, I need money for a climbing holiday, darn, I should have thought about that.
Coz, I interviewed Carlos Salinas once, in London (1989). Of course at the time he had some of his own controversies as prez of Mexico and after.
If this had happened to the American climbers instead of the band, we could have long thread full of rants about how they aren't real climbers, should have hired guides, shouldn't have been there in the first place, were insensitive the locals, should have listened to the locals, deserved everything that happened to them, or how nothing happened to them and it was all an elaborate hoax to defraud supertopians out of their hard-earned money.
Graniteclimber, I don't know what to think of you. I have a couple of choice words, but I won't use them. I don't want to start a flaming war. But the connection you are trying to make is nebulous and disingenuous at best.
I am trying to be less judgmental and opinionated in life.
Safe climbing dude, with your karma, you need all the safety you can get.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
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ElCap,,,ask the dead in mexico, by the hundreds of thousands.....
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coz
Gym climber
Belmont
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
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Oh don't try and educate these guys now, it's simple a couple dirt bag climber can figure it out.
Just take out the Cartel, "DUHH, U want I should punch the rabbit now boss, Duhh."
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jghedge
climber
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
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"President Obama says 90 percent of Mexico's recovered crime guns come from the U.S. That's not what the statistics show."
Hahahaha, idiot. That article is 4 years old, and cites FauxNews as a "source".
Basically your posts are reliable representations of the opposite of reality.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 29, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
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Horrible... Just plain horrible and yes... I think going to Mexico under this kind of b.s. is stupid. They love kidnapping gringos and ransoming them for money. Even if your relatives do pay, their loved one/victim is usually already dead.
Plus we already lost a surfer Mexican kid from Ventura over there. They found him murdered a year after his disappearance. His parents are walking ghosts.
My two cents is there is great climbing all over the U.S. and Canada. Tons more overseas. Just please skip Mexico and any other violent hot spot. Yes, folks still go there and come back bragging about how they never saw trouble. Yet if you ever do find trouble, will you survive it? That's my big question. Will you have the chance to go back and talk about it?
I also think the U.S. should go in there with the cooperation of the Mexican government and just wipe them out. They are true evil, chopping up families, women, kids, etc. Time to clean them out.
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