18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing


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Trad climber
estes park
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:11pm PT

Rock and Ice responds, and makes some good points too.

Feb 5, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Perhaps Acapulco is better?


Oh, perhaps not.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Part of the corruption problem in Mexico stems from is the centralization of power in Mexico City. More autonomy to the individual states might have reduced the opportunity for corruption to take hold on such a large scale.

That Acapulco story is going to really finish the tourist business off in Mexico.

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:33am PT
think I'll pass on Mexico with my two weeks of vacation this year. I hear that Peru is a more climber-hospitable locale.
Erik Vance

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
I think about 90% of the posts on this thread have no idea what they are talking about and have only heard of Mexico through episodes of Breaking Bad. Really, you guys are worse than Fox News. Which is saying something. Mexico is a climber's paradise, full of amazing people and culture and rock. The crisis in the north deserves our empathy and support, not our ignorant scorn.

Social climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Mexico's northern border is under attack. Other states are also battlegrounds though. I posted previously and after reading "El Narco" by Ioan Grillo, I realized it is a complex problem for the whole of the country. There are many sites that will inform and frighten you if you wish to know.

I agree that Mexico is a beautiful and mostly tranquil country. I climb there often and will return. But to have a safe trip you should definitely do some research on the areas you will climb. Potrero is unfortunately in the very heart of the flames.

Latest news shows Kombo Kolombia was targeted because of the war between the Zetas and Gulf Cartel. From Borderland Beat: "In the first instances, the hypothesis was that Kombo Kolombia had been "finished off" by leaders of the Gulf Cartel (CDG) because of its close relationship with rival gangs.

But the most recent investigations are now pointing in a different direction. Versions collected by the authority reported that Los Zetas have reprimanded musicians for playing in bars and clubs operated by the CDG in the metropolitan area. It is what they saw as a betrayal and who paid with their life. Jose Isidro Cruz Villarreal, "El Pichilo" is thought to have been in charge of recruiting Kombo Kolombia for the performance in the municipality of Hidalgo, and would been the leader who led the convoy of gunmen that kidnapped the band."

Trad climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
Yes Dear Americans,

If you'd like to solve many of these problems in Mexico, please stop buying the drugs that flow through Mexico. Quite right deschamps.

Then the Mexican people can concentrate on tourism, manufacturing, and other more socially acceptable forms of generating wealth.


Trad climber
Northern California
Feb 11, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
[Deleted]: This is like arguing with a brick wall... Y'all have fun traveling down there.

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 11, 2013 - 03:02pm PT

Early on the morning of January 25 at least seven vans and trucks (reports say up to 14) rolled through Colonia Francisco Villa, the neighborhood just outside the gates of Potrero Chico, a popular winter rock-climbing destination in Nuevo Leon, Mexico. The vehicles stopped at a bar called La Carreta, an establishment that borders several climbers’ campgrounds. La Carreta is familiar to many climbers who, like me, have been rendered sleepless by the double bass, accordion and pig squeals of performing Norteño bands. That night, armed assailants got out and proceeded to kidnap members of the Vallenato band Kombo Kolombia. According to a report provided by a member of the band who managed to escape, the musicians were driven around the area for several hours and tortured. Eventually, each was shot in the head. The bodies (at least 12) were thrown in a well near Mina, a small pueblo a few minutes (6 miles) away from the Potrero, and the closest town and access point to the Culo de Gato, a sport-climbing cave.

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 11, 2013 - 03:06pm PT

Tactics employed by the cartels have expressly targeted innocent victims completely unconnected to the cartels. The 2011 massacre near San Fernando, Tamaulipas, provides a striking example. According to an interview with a Zeta cartel member published in the Houston Chronicle and another interview with a survivor first published in El Informador, a Mexican newspaper, several public buses were hijacked by cartel members and driven to an isolated ranch called La Joya. The male passengers were given bats, clubs and hammers and told to fight to the death with other victims. The winners of these gladiator-style duels were recruited as killers for the Zetas. The female passengers were removed to a room, raped and beaten, their children taken and tortured. According to the survivor, one bus driver was forced to drive over the elderly and was then executed. Most of the 193 victims (including one U.S. citizen) found in the 47 mass graves had features of "blunt force trauma" consistent with the testimony of the two men.
Jebus H Bomz

Feb 11, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Holy guacamole! doesn't seem to cover it. Completely brutal sh#t, GC.
Scott McNamara

Tucson, Arizona
Feb 11, 2013 - 04:44pm PT

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 11, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
This was the 73-person massacre that took place in 2010. Not the 193-person massacre in the same area in 2011

The 72 immigrants were traveling through Tamaulipas to the United States when a convoy of Los Zetas surrounded their vehicles and cut them off the road.[48] Then, they were forced to get out of their vehicles, and the gunmen warned them that they were members of Los Zetas. They were taken to warehouse inside a ranch, where one by one, the 72 immigrants were put on their knees and placed against a wall. They were told to remain with their knees on the ground, and then they were shot, one by one, in the back of the head.[48] There was one survivor—an Ecuadorian—who was shot in the neck and faked his death till the perpetrators left the area.[49] He then traveled more than 22 kilometers until he reached a military checkpoint where he asked the Mexican marines for help, and notified them of the area where the massacre had occurred.[50] The man was placed under the protection of federal authorities.[51]

Gym climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
The Mexican drug traffic won't be eliminated until all the U. S. A. addicts give up their drug habits.

Of course, one way (which I do not advocate) to reduce the excessive amounts of money the Mexican drug lords receive would be for the U. S. to rescind the current prohibition on the use of drugs here in the U. S.

Mexican authorities are always pleading for us to reduce the demand here in the U. S. I don't think mere education about the evils of drugs will do it.

Trad climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
New cave found near Monterrey. We are have bolted two lines so far. Just found it last week. It may be dangerous in Mexico but there sure are a lot of tufas.
Credit: KRS-Grun
Rodrigo on La Vaca Perdida 12a
Rodrigo on La Vaca Perdida 12a
Credit: Cristian Arnaud Faz

Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Born and raised in El Paso I've lived near the Mexican border most of my life. IMHO the US should annex Mexico and begin the integration into statehood. This would solidify the US power on this corner of the globe AND ultimately create a peaceful and economically productive environment. I'm sure Canada would like to join the US too (or so I've heard from some of them).

Squint you eyes a little bit and think about it. From the polar cap to the isthmus, all USA, free for us climbers (and workers) to travel about and flourish in! Viva USA!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
It's impossible to tell you're from Texas, if you hadn't said so... Excellent troll by the way !

Sometimes LA
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:41pm PT

Or return the US southwest to Mexico. Either or.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
But if the US annexed Mexico and Canada, what would you guys do with all the enfranchised socialists and Mexicans ?

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Mexico is right here in California....50% of the local school enrollment is Hispanic and many of the local jobs are held by undocumneted workers....I knew this local canadian that got deported because he didn't have his papers...Go figure...
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