18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
stilltrying

I won't bother to tell you that you seem like a bit of a hypocrite. You start off with saying:

Always disappointed to see how threads become so personal.

Then you launch into that rambling post? Learn sentence structure, will you? Don't take it personally though.
stilltrying

Trad climber
washington indiana
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Man Ruppell, what are you a combo Dr. Phil and English teacher, I am impressed. Anyway, the point was it seems a bit risky to go to PC right now and white folks are no more racist than others, Short enough ?
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
stillyoung

I'm neither. lol It's was just hard to read.

I've spent more time in Potrero than most here I can assure you. I haven't been down there in a few years but it has nothing to do with the current situation there. I'd go down this month in a heartbeat if I could find the money to do it with. So, for me at least, that risk would be worth the reward. As far as racism goes, it exists everywhere. It sucks, for sure, and if you can figure out a way to stop it post up. lol
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
+ 1 for Manny
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
Me too, plenty of money but just no time. Temps are probably perfect right now!!

So I've heard. lol Thanks for Thunderkiss man. One of the best, most underdone lines in the Potrero. If we ever meet up you have to tell me about Love Removal Machine as well. Actually, I have the time, wanna float me a loan. lol
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Nice. It had a few more bolts when I did it for the first time. Seems bolts are popping up down there pretty often. I heard that Jeff gave the OK to add them so it's all good if that's true. Steel Pulse grew 6 more bolts a few years ago. Makes access to the Bronco Bowl a little less heady. lol You realize we're about to turn this into a climbing thread. Keep it up.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:22am PT
Well just to keep some sense of proportion


According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 32,885 people died in traffic crashes in 2010 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,228 people who died in drunk driving crashes, accounting for 31% of all traffic deaths last year.

If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to take the train.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:26am PT
People have been mentioning Sandy.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-09/world/35262019_1_drug-violence-mexican-drug-cartels-ciudad-juarez

"In 2009, the last year for which there is data, 1,180 children were killed, half in shootings.

Recent, sensational killings of children shot in a car seat, dumped in a field with a bullet in the head, killed as their grandmothers cradled them have shocked Mexicans and shaken their faith that family is sacred, even to the criminal gangs."

Just because you didn't see it on your visit to Mexico doesn't mean it didn't happen.
KRS-Grun

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
Danger does lurk everywhere in the Monterrey area. Lock your children up. I saw this creeper back from the dead while driving through the city. http://youtu.be/eyihqcUL-ko
ruppell

climber
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
Stories would indeed be welcome.

Celestial is on of those routes that you look and and go "HOLY SH!TE. It goes out that?"

My first trip down there in 2005 I met up with a guy who wanted to go do Fit for Life. I'd never been up into the Bronco Bowl. Steep climbing at the time was a weakness of mine and I figured those two routes would be good for me. So the next day we get the Potrero alpine start. That's noon for those of you who haven't been done there. We arrive at the base and start flaking the rope. My partner, who was a much better climber than I, INSISTS that I take the first pitch. At 11a a it's not technically that hard but it is long and a tiny bit runout. At the time it only sported 5 bolts in it's 150 feet. So I grab the draws and tie in. A remember getting to the crux and looking down about 15 feet at the last bolt and having a pretty good laugh. I finished the pitch and belayed my partner up. Turns out he had been up to the Bronco Bowl a few times but had never lead Steel Pulse. I guess runout face climbing was a weakness of his.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
How about bolting that well?
Anastasia

climber
Home
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
Stilltrying says it best.

"...only color that matters to them is green."

That's the bottom line. Most of the problems in Mexico is just that. It needs to redo the way it allows business to function, make it more of a free market, capitalistic, less open to local corruption and wham! They have the skills, the desires and the resources to compete. Do that and I bet half the problems over there will disappear. Once they can chase the dream, the drug world wouldn't be so attractive. Right now because there is so little opportunity, drug smuggling looks real good.





bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
That's the bottom line. Most of the problems in Mexico is just that. It needs to redo the way it allows business to function, make it more of a free market, capitalistic, less open to local corruption and wham! They have the skills, the desires and the resources to compete. Do that and I bet half the problems over there will disappear. Once they can chase the dream, the drug world wouldn't be so attractive. Right now because there is so little opportunity, drug smuggling looks real good.


Gosh Damnit!!! Do I need to run for f*#king President!!!

I have been advocating a policy like this for years on this forum. Bring manufacturing from Asia to Mexico and South America. You know what you get???

1. Less illegal immigration
2. Less transportation costs for goods.
3. More prosperity in Mexico, and less corruption, and less drug trafficking.

Don't make me come down there, Mexico!!!
Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
You ex - military Hank?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
The manufacturing went to Mexico for a while. Remember the maquiadoras ? Capital moved on.
wbw

Trad climber
'cross the great divide
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
It needs to redo the way it allows business to function, make it more of a free market, capitalistic, less open to local corruption and wham! They have the skills, the desires and the resources to compete. Do that and I bet half the problems over there will disappear.

Yes, maybe, but reducing corruption is one of the primary cruxes for all developing countries trying to increase prosperity amongst its citizens. It is much more difficult and complex than simply changing laws or policy. Once corruption has gained traction in a society, people lose faith and become jaded towards its political and economic system. The people engaging in corruption have a strong vested interest in the status quo, and are generally resistant to positive change.

If it were as simple as changing the way government allows business to function, then you can be sure that half of the problems (or more) for the entire Third World would disappear.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
The manufacturing went to Mexico for a while. Remember the maquiadoras ? Capital moved on.


It needs to be gov't subsidized. Yes, I said it.....

And Yeah, I think Hank is former mil.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Ex-scout member : I would never allow my children to join that backwards bumfuct organization.

DMT


I hear ya, the Boy Scouts of America is nothing but a bad influence on boys.

They should be banned for their homophobic ideas. Gays are a better role model for humanity than those BSA as#@&%es!
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Feb 4, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
I was watching some TV documentary yesterday about the cartels, and they were interviewing a "hitman" for the cartel in Sinaloa. He said he'd killed 15 people so far. They asked him how much, and he said $200 each (only in pesos). The interviewer mentioned that's not much and he replied "here, it is plenty". So if you have kids who are willing to become hit men for only $200 I don't think there is ANYTHING that will improve the situation.
deschamps

Trad climber
Out and about
Feb 4, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
I don't think there is ANYTHING that will improve the situation.

Eliminating demand would immediately improve the situation.
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