18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Julio Cesar Leyva Beltran


I believe that one of the Sinaloa drug kings name is/was Beltran Leyva or Leyva Beltran. maybe a relative
Synchronicity

Trad climber
British Columbia, Canada
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
A good friend of mine just got there, I hope he is smart enough to flee. Crazy story and I will be keeping a close watch if things unfold further.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
from 2009

Members of a group of Mexican drug traffickers have been indicted in the murders of nine people in the San Diego area - including two victims whose bodies were dissolved in acid, authorities announced Thursday.

"Los Palillos" gang - "The Toothpicks," in English - operated in the late 1990s and early 2000s in Tijuana, Mexico, as a cell of the Arellano Felix cartel, named for one of Mexico's most notorious drug trafficking families, said Mark Amador, a deputy district attorney. The gang of U.S. and Mexican citizens moved to the San Diego area around 2002 to deal in marijuana and methamphetamine after a leader was killed in a feud inside the Tijuana-based cartel.


The house "The Toothpicks" rented is a half mile up the road from me.


http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-5241822.html
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
Might want to review and rewrite, that's some offensive BS dude.

you might find it offensive Scott, but for the most part, Hank is speaking the truth
Joe

Social climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
truly tragic...

but I don't understand why it is necessary to diss Ed while expressing an opinion...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
If this had happened to the American climbers instead of the band, we could have long thread full of rants about how they aren't real climbers, should have hired guides, shouldn't have been there in the first place, were insensitive the locals, should have listened to the locals, deserved everything that happened to them, or how nothing happened to them and it was all an elaborate hoax to defraud supertopians out of their hard-earned money.

Just sayin'
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
these 18, rest their souls, provoke us beyond any other group of eighteen
out of one hundred thousand victims, because why? really ... nearby cliffs?

This provoked us long before it impacted climbing.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1260099/Mexico-Drug-Wars-ot
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Fox News, Ron. yawn.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Your the one blaming AL-KI-DER. How bizarre is that?
WBraun

climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
This kind of stupid sh#t can be stopped by having the civilian population of Mexico become organized and just going to the drug lords hangouts and kill em all.

Just slaughter all those fukers. Be done with those stupid dumbsh!ts.

No courts, arrests, no fuking trials just waste em all.

There's no other way.

All the legal ways are corrupt and run by all those stupid fukers .....
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Even your report says at least 37% come from the US. Put the U.S. on your list of countries that are a gun problem for Mexico.

Since you don't list the U.S. as a gun problem, I'll take it you think AL-KI-DER is a bigger factor. You brought it up.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Sounds like a Nigerian scam to me, I want to see pictures.

In all seriousness, this is really sad. People are always looking for a reason for these things, something to make it explainable. No one outright denounces violence and killing anymore.

Mexico has much stricter gun control laws than the US. It makes sense they would look abroad and specifically to us (we are closest) to get their weapons.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
This kind of stupid sh#t can be stopped by having the civilian population of Mexico become organized and just going to the drug lords hangouts and kill em all.

Just slaughter all those fukers. Be done with those stupid dumbsh!ts.

No courts, arrests, no fuking trials just waste em all.

There's no other way.

All the legal ways are corrupt and run by all those stupid fukers .....

actually Werner is on to something. I read the other day that Mexican villagers are arming themselves against the cartels. I will try and find the article.

the drug war is all about money. the way to financially defeat an enemy is to cut off their source off income. imo,, drugs should be legal in this country.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Fox.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
'Sick And Tired,' Residents In Southern Mexico Defend Themselves ...
http://www.wbur.org/.../sick-and-tired-residents-in-southern-mexico-defend- themselves - Cached
2 days ago ... But he says people started talking about fighting back. ... to the violent drug war in Mexico that has claimed more than 50,000 lives in the past ...
Mexican village turns vigilante to fight drug cartel | The Raw Story
http://www.rawstory.com/.../mexican-village-turns-vigilante-to-fight-drug-cartel/ - Cached
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
The civilian population and the cartels are not completely separate entities.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
There's no other way

Are you sure?
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
philo, that's it
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Well, there goes my planned trip to Mexico. I am now thinking Les Calanques or Paklenica National Park in Croatia, much closer, and safer and I have climbed at both. Good limestone. Wait, I need money for a climbing holiday, darn, I should have thought about that.

Coz, I interviewed Carlos Salinas once, in London (1989). Of course at the time he had some of his own controversies as prez of Mexico and after.


If this had happened to the American climbers instead of the band, we could have long thread full of rants about how they aren't real climbers, should have hired guides, shouldn't have been there in the first place, were insensitive the locals, should have listened to the locals, deserved everything that happened to them, or how nothing happened to them and it was all an elaborate hoax to defraud supertopians out of their hard-earned money.

Graniteclimber, I don't know what to think of you. I have a couple of choice words, but I won't use them. I don't want to start a flaming war. But the connection you are trying to make is nebulous and disingenuous at best.

I am trying to be less judgmental and opinionated in life.

Safe climbing dude, with your karma, you need all the safety you can get.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
Horrible... Just plain horrible and yes... I think going to Mexico under this kind of b.s. is stupid. They love kidnapping gringos and ransoming them for money. Even if your relatives do pay, their loved one/victim is usually already dead.

Plus we already lost a surfer Mexican kid from Ventura over there. They found him murdered a year after his disappearance. His parents are walking ghosts.

My two cents is there is great climbing all over the U.S. and Canada. Tons more overseas. Just please skip Mexico and any other violent hot spot. Yes, folks still go there and come back bragging about how they never saw trouble. Yet if you ever do find trouble, will you survive it? That's my big question. Will you have the chance to go back and talk about it?

I also think the U.S. should go in there with the cooperation of the Mexican government and just wipe them out. They are true evil, chopping up families, women, kids, etc. Time to clean them out.


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