18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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Matt's

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 29, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
http://rockice.amgbusiness.com/lates-news/18-murdered-near-potrero-climbers-flee?Preview=True?utm_source=Mountain%2BProject&utm_medium=RSS%2BFeed&utm_campaign=MP%2BFeed-News

grim... might take a while for climbers to return to this area
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
That is gnarly.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
jesus h. christ
sheepdog

Trad climber
just over the hill
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
grim. more on the story here, when the death toll was "only" 10.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/27/3203748/colombian-style-band-missing-in.html
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
Band members who perform Narcocorrido (songs and stories about drugs and or cartels)are typically targeted for playing a song in support of X cartel, and Y cartel catches wind of it.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
didn't Crimpergirl tell about a negative experience there a few years ago?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Survival makes sense to me. If you play in the narco culture, you risk getting caught up in the violence.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
never heard any of these folks on the WHAT SONG Are You Listening ... thread.

we must be out of touch




monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
And we flood Mexico with guns, legal and illegal.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
^coolo

In Chula Vista we're all used to hearing about lots of deaths and weird goings on. For example:

TIJUANA — Authorities searching a vacant property in eastern Tijuana may have found the remains of dozens of drug-war victims gone missing after their corpses were dissolved in lye by a man known as El Pozolero — the stew maker.

“We believe that there could be more than 100 bodies dissolved there,” said Abel Galván Gallardo, head of Baja California’s organized-crime unit

No info on the muscial preferences of the deceased, gut pretty sure they're not the Grateful Dead.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Survival writes:

"Band members who perform Narcocorrido (songs and stories about drugs and or cartels)are typically targeted for playing a song in support of X cartel, and Y cartel catches wind of it."


I heard these guys weren't that kind of band.

They don't have to be, though, to end up like they did.

The cartel goon squads aren't above kidnapping any available target, whether narco involved or not, and forcing them to confess on video to some horseshit story their captors made up for them, then snuffing them.

The whole idea is to make an example out of someone. Actual guilt is beside the point.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
This is grim.

I rented a place through Magic Ed, and out back there was a bar/hall where there were parties going on, loud music trough the night. I wanted to go check it out, but thought better of it.

The band played love songs, not drug songs, or so the story says. Frickin' brutal.


EDIT

theres probably no less that 50 countries providing arms in Mexico...Al-kay-duh monies exist from Argentina to Tijuana now as well. They to recognize the weakness of our southern borders..

Ron, where do you get your intel?? Al-kay-duh has money to arm Mexican drug cartels? Boy, you have your hand on the pulse!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
A huge source of guns to Mexico come from the US.

What do you think Fast and Furious was all about, Ron?

70% of recovered cartel guns come from the US. AL-KI-DER has little to do with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
I didn't say they were Narcocorrido, just that it was a possible explanation.

The band played love songs, not drug songs, or so the story says. Frickin' brutal.


They wrote a love song about the wrong girl?

Well, at any rate, it sucks for a whole band to be slaughtered if it was over the music or not....
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
A massacre of 18 people is a big deal, even in a war zone like Iraq or Afghanistan. In Colombia it would be the biggest massacre in many years. Seems obvious it's drug related, one clue was this:

The band regularly played at bars in downtown Monterrey on the weekend. At least two of the bars where they had played had been attacked by gunmen.

Restaurants and bars are often associated with organized crime, and if they played at bars that had this kind of violence they may have been associated with one of the groups, at least in the mind of the other one. If there are rival drug cartels fighting over Monterrey, this is probably a message from one of them to the other to get out of town.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
very very phuqed up. best limestone area near Austin.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
kind of early to speculate, but (diffent incidents):

The band's singer, Julio Cesar Leyva Beltran, was abducted from a party in the state Choix, a city in the Mexican state of Sinaloa. He was taken away in an SUV after the band refused to play another song after the guests requested one. While in captivity, the kidnappers who remain unidentified, tortured Leyva and shot him in the leg.
...


Another case was reported in November of last year when narcocorrido singer-songwriter Diergo Rivas was murdered in the state of Sinaloa. One of Rivas' famous songs was an ode to Joaquin Shorty Guzman, one of Mexico's most wanted drug lord.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/mexican-singer-kidnapped-tortured-refusing-to-play-song_n_1412245.html
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Maybe the band was playing at a Narco party, and they didn't know who their host was. The trumpet player made a pass at the wrong girl, and the narcos figured they'd have "fun" with the band.

The band member who escaped is probably shitting bricks right now...
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
I'm wary of even going to canon tajo, much less anywhere on the mainland.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Survival writes:

"I didn't say they were Narcocorrido, just that it was a possible explanation."


This is true. And you would be playing the percentages, because that kind of crap happens pretty damned often down there.

I was trying to imagine the mindset that would make someone want to do that, and I could only shake my head. Then I recalled dudes like Biggie Smalls and Tupac getting theirs, and it almost makes sense.

Or maybe the neighbors simply got tired of living next door to a noisy garage band, and that's just how those things are handled when you can't afford to bribe the police to come quiet them down.
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