DM88T
climber
San Juan Bautista, CA
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Jan 26, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
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Capture One by PHASEONE but they're slow to support new camera's RAW files.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Jan 29, 2013 - 07:37am PT
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I 2nd the notion of "Get rid of iPhoto"! Seriously, once you've got all your pics in the Lightroom Catalog, dump your iPhoto library. Make sure to Copy when you import to Lightroom, then get rid of everything iPhoto. Apple has really pissed a lot of people off, myself included with their cute little Faces feature. You cannot shut it off, so on a mass import into the newer versions of iPhoto it will convert say 1000 photos into 8,000. Duplicates up the yingyang too.
Also, in Iphoto 11 you can no longer view individual files outside of the application itself, as in the iPhoto library. You get the one library icon and that's it. If you want to look at an individual file or delete, you have do it within iPhoto. They may have their reasons but it doesn't work well in the real world. Too much automation from Apple. Why do people want their little boxes and screens to do everything for them? Might as well click a button that says "live your life".
Arne
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jan 29, 2013 - 07:48am PT
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Thanks for the warning, ionlyski! Luckily I have a "dumber" version, iPhoto 09.
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jbaker
Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
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Jan 29, 2013 - 08:01am PT
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I don't know of any simple way to keep both iPhoto and Lightroom going without maintaining two copies of the photos. I'd dump iPhoto. I imported into both for a while, but have fully moved over to Lightroom. I pop out into full Photoshop occasionally (mainly for web work, rather than pure photography) but not all that often. If I was doing professional photography, I'd be popping out more to get the last couple of %.
To view hidden files and directories, go to Utilities, open Terminal, and copy and paste:
defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles YES
Finder will then show all files. That makes it easier to import the iPhoto directory into Lightroom.
Definitely worth thinking through how you are going to tag and track your photos. I haven't been as organized as I should have, and have ended up with my photography and stock photos I was using for a web project mixed together in a few places. Not good. Lightroom doesn't suffer the disorganized as well as iPhoto does.
There are good books on Lightroom and workflow. My house burned down two months ago, so I can't dig up the book I used and am not recognizing it on Amazon. I'd ask Jerry Dodrill. I think I chose it based on a recommendation from him. I'd highly recommend taking his summer class at Sierra Nevada College. A lot of time is spent on digital darkroom skills and he is a whiz. I'd also highly recommend offsite backups :-)
Getting the workflow right is pretty key. Lightroom has put the editing commands in the order it thinks you should use them, but worth think through what you want to do in raw before going into the lightroom editor. Also, using batch commands on a set of similar photos to quickly get close.
For people who just need a simple tool, http://ipiccy.com/ is pretty darn cool for a free, online photo editor.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Jan 29, 2013 - 09:21am PT
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Jbaker has it right. It will bite you eventually (with confusing duplicates) to run both.
Iphoto 9 was the last OK version but it seems to be all about automation now.
Just wait till your car starts driving itself cuz it Thinks you're about to wreck, rendering your steering wheel and brakes useless. Think I'm joking?
Arne
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2013 - 09:42am PT
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jbaker, thanks for the input.
Personally I find iPhoto works just fine in terms organizing my photos. Thus far I'm finding the Lightroom interface clunky for that. But what can I expect after three days. I'm sure there are key aspects I'm missing. I have no intention of keeping duplicate files around.
Apple does what they do for reasons. I get that they are frustrating to some. Whatever. I just let myself adapt to what they offer rather than try and change it or let myself get my panties in a twist.
In the end chances are I won't want direct access to my iPhoto files - they are not organized in any way that would make it easier for me to import. I'll just have to take the time and work through years of my photos if I decide move them all into Lightbox. Which is fine since they need to be worked through and organized better anyway.
As far as off site backups go I've done that for years. Time machine and two external drives. One goes in the fire safe and the other goes out the door. Sometimes it's in my truck, sometimes at a friends. Doesn't matter. If my truck blows up and catches my house on fire then I'll just shoot myself (provided all the ammo doesn't go off in the fire safe).
Back to Lightroom - I've been focusing on getting the hang of organizing and managing files. I'm still looking for the setting to change the default import directory (from Pictures). Once I get the hang of that I'll move on to the Editing stuff. I see those are the tools I'm looking for that iPhoto can't come close to touching.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 29, 2013 - 09:57am PT
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Nature. Simplify your life and dump all your images in a photos folder in the original camera folders. Then go from there.
Edit I guess I should say that I copy all my images to my computer directly from my cf card. I don't import them. I just find the last image in my computer photos folder and then goto the cf card folder and copy everything newer than that. It makes it a lot easier to keep them in the original camera folders and then they don't get mixed up.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 29, 2013 - 10:00am PT
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I shoot Nikon Raw (NEF), ingest with Photo Mechanic, then import with Adobe LR4. For edits not possible in LR4 I go out to Photoshop or Nikon NX2 or Helicon or whatever, and then save back to LR4. LR4 is a great cataloging tool and it does most edits. All on a MacBook Pro 17.
Someone mentioned they use also use Nikon NX 2. Nikon NX2 is becoming archaic. Nikon is not updating it anymore and the company that developed the program for Nikon has been bought by Google.
Another thought, if you have use for more than just Lightroom, consider Adobe Creative Cloud. It's a subscription. For $50 a month you get access to every program they make, and all updates: Photoshop, Lightroom, Premier, Audition, Dreamweaver, Flash, Acrobat, etc. If you use some of those things or need to, it's a tremendous value.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 29, 2013 - 10:13am PT
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I always used Photoshop as a journalist (though I am not a graphic designer).
I have Adobe Suite with Photoshop included. But since upgrading to OS X Lion, it does not support My Adobe Suite. Bummer, but I cannot and will not put out like €1,000 plus for a product I already bought.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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So I'd like to easily manage my photos between my various Apple devices. How to I go about getting my photos onto my iPhone or (especially) iPad if I ditch iPhoto?
(drag to album in iPhoto on Mac and sync is about as easy as it gets)
old-schoolers need not reply ;-)
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The Alpine
climber
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Jan 30, 2013 - 07:40am PT
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The first step is to stop using iPhoto!
What about a networked harddrive? Access to all from anywhere.
I second the sentiment above of just copying your cards into a organized photos directory folder on your computer.
Edit:
Maybe, I missed it, but what are you using the photos for? Personal? Business?
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Gilwad
climber
Frozen In Somewhere
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Jan 30, 2013 - 07:46am PT
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Lightroom. Aperture is iPhoto glorified, and an absolute nightmare for file management. I tried to use Aperture for a year and just gave up, it does truly just suck in its file management. If you find iPhoto annoying then Aperture is professional-level annoying.
Within about an hour of using Lightroom my photo world made sense again. Both programs take some time to work out, but having really worked through Aperture I would never foist that program on anyone, I truly hate it. All those lost hours in Aperture trying to find files, organize drives, my god but it is horrendous. Didn't realize how bitter I was until I started writing this.
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Cosmiccragsman
Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
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Jan 30, 2013 - 08:23am PT
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Doug;
If you already have an older version of photoshop on your computer,
you can upgrade to the latest version for about 200 dollars.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 08:27am PT
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The Alpine: For personal.
I have decided on Lightroom. Aperture doesn't have a trial version so forget that.
I've just upgraded my cameras - I bought a canon S100 with underwater housing and a canon 60D.
regarding iPhoto - I don't find it annoying at all. Maybe I'm just use to it. So far I've found the way Lightroom organizes to be slightly annoying but I probably need to get use to that.
If someone can point out how I can use Lightroom to manage my images and share them seamlessly and as easily with my other iOS devices I'll be more inclined to use that. Until then I guess I'll do my work in Lightroom and management in iPhoto.
Cosmic - I don't and I don't need Photoshop. I'm not planning on doing manipulations. The "Develop" area in Lightroom is really all I need (minus organizing).
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Cosmiccragsman
Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
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Jan 30, 2013 - 10:34am PT
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 10:44am PT
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awesome.
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Cosmiccragsman
Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
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Jan 30, 2013 - 10:48am PT
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I could have done better if I had a Wacom Pen Tablet
on my laptop, like I do my home computer.
Trying to select and erase with a mouse sucks.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Jan 30, 2013 - 11:02am PT
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I use Aperture 3 and like it just fine. Run it on a newish Macbook Pro with 8G of ram. Anything less and the performance is too poor.
--Great for organizing a large library and very fast on keyword (including data in the image headers) searches even with 100,000+ images in the library
--good tools in Aperture for image tweaking and good ability to work in batch mode. If I want to put sharks behind divers, I fire up Photoshop Elements 9.
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SuperTopo on the Web
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old school, you put your files where you want.
Let us know!