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nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 26, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
Aperture or Lightroom 4?

I have a 30 day trial on Lightroom. not stoked I can't easily import from iPhoto.

Aperture no longer has a trial. It's a little less expensive though.
QITNL

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
I'd probably vote for Adobe. For most of my graphic work, I use Photoshop, mainly since it's been around forever. Lightroom looks good; my girlfriend keeps bugging me to get into Bridge. There is a lot of overlap between apps.

I've never used Aperture so I can't an A-B comparison, maybe someone else can. I'm a little wary based upon Apple's handling some of their other pro apps - Logic, Final Cut. I'm not a big fan of their consumer apps.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
I only use Photoshop but I have sure read plenty of glowing reviews of Lightroom.
Not so many of Aperture.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
yeah, I'm leaning more towards Lightroom. I found it for $89. Photoshop is $400 so I probably won't look that direction. Seems like Lightroom is geared towards my needs.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:00pm PT


Pro level Photoshop is the ticket (albeit EXPENSIVE compared)...

JUST my opinion of course...

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Get photoshop! It's worth it.
DonC

climber
CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
I am a long time Aperture user and am in the process of moving to Lightroom. I wish Apple would pay more attention to Aperture but they are not. Their focus these days is with consumer applications and Adobe is eating their lunch at the professional level. Lightroom has lens correction, graduated filter, and other features that I like. There is a 10:1 user base for Lightroom over Aperture and many training resources available.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
It's not worth it if ya don't need it. ;-)

If you just want to crop, adjust contrast, saturation, and sharpness
then I believe Lightroom will do nicely by Nature, or vice versa.
weezy

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
another vote for lightroom. i don't even use photoshop anymore since lightroom pretty much does everything i need it to do, but i don't do anything crazy with my photos too often (HDR, etc). i really like lightroom's tagging/keyword system, too.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:06pm PT


"and Adobe is eating their lunch at the professional level"...

No longer being in the trade I haven't kept up...

IF the above statement is correct, it's a fuking SHAME!!!...

Photoshop has pretty much been the STANDARD in my opinion...



Oh well!!!...

Everything changes...

Everything, ENDS...
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:13pm PT

It's not worth it if ya don't need it. ;-)

If you just want to crop, adjust contrast, saturation, and sharpness
then I believe Lightroom will do nicely by Nature, or vice versa.

True. Although if I never had photoshop then I would never know I needed it! If you're not doing HDR type stuff it's probably not necessary.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Adobe is Photoshop lockernewb

Lightroom is also a Adobe product.

Photoshop CS6 BTW runs $699. I don't need to do 90% of what Photoshop can do.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Mikey, dearest, life wouldn't be worth living without Photoshop cause it
seems I have a predilection for the Screaming Sensor Meanies on a regular
basis so I do a lot of cloning. The other huge reason is that I have the
Nik Effects Color Filters plug-in. Yeah, I'm totally a cheater. I swear,
I'll quit as soon as I get my Phase One, I promise!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
And Lightroom which is what donc was referring to.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:20pm PT


"Adobe is Photoshop lockernewb" <<< That I already KNEW

"Lightroom is also a Adobe product." <<< That, I did not!!!...



Was totally unaware of that...

THANKS for clearing it up...




So they're SLACKING on upgrading PHOTOSHOP at the PRO level then???...

Again, a SHAME!!!...

Photoshop fuking RULES!!! (or at least RULED)...



nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
No, Photoshop CS6 is pro level (whatever that means).


It's Apple's product Aperture that's not getting the support it needs.


So it's settled... that was easy. Lightroom it is. Now... how do I push these million buttons to make it do what I want? Seriously... suggestions on tutorials, online classes, kindle books?

This is fun. I've been working my way through a Kindle book on using the S100. What an impressive little camera. The underwater housing just arrived as well. I'll probably get away with a pretty sweet under water rig for around $1K including fish eye and strobes.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
It's simple and yer a smart feller: RTFM


















Sorry, I couldn't resist. I have no clue about Lightroom. :-)
Gal

Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
hey, just to confirm your decision, LIGHTROOM!!! It's great...

...sometime, grab a beer, give me a call, I'll tell you some of the basics to get you on your way-just give me a little heads-up time...
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Dude (not Gal)... If I had a Manual I'd Read the F'ing thing ;-)



OK Lightroom junkies... easiest way to manage photos in iPhoto to Lightroom (and possibly back)?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:29pm PT


"Photoshop CS6 is pro level (whatever that means)"...



Simple...

Applications geared more towards the professional, than the n00b...

;-)



kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
nature, I love Lightroom. Its easy importing from where your photos are already for iPhoto. Just leave the photos where they are when you create a catalogue, and don't duplicate or move them.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Cloning! Cool, I do that but I didn't even know it ;) so much to learn.

My favorite new technique is taking bracketed shots and then combining them manually as different layers. Sometimes I cheat too and use the HDR program but I tend to dislike the blurry effect from them noise reduction so I usually combine the original image with the HDR skies.

I don't know Lightroom but it should have a levels option in the adjustment tab maybe? Very useful. Saturation should be in there too and sharpen should be under filters or something?

There is lots of info available online so go read up a bit but mostly just play with it and see what things do to get a better feeling for it.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
kunlun_shan - the problem I'm running up against is iPhotos are stored in "Library" which is a hidden directory. How are you working around that?


Yeah, all those controls are there. Now to figure out which ones work best to compensate for my lack of talent ;)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
I bet there are you-know-what piles of youtube tutorials.
I'm sure there's also a Lightroom forum. DPReview prolly has book reviews, too.
QITNL

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
"Library" isn't a hidden directory, it's just hard to find (one of my major gripes about Apple's consumer apps).

Search (command-F) by Filename, stick in a unique photo name, highlight it, see if you can trace the path that appears below. Then retrace that path.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
In iPhoto, look at the name of one of the photos you want to import.

Then in Lightroom, choose "Import photos from disk", put the name of the photo in search, and when it comes up select it:

Credit: kunlun_shan

Then if you click on the higher level folder above the filename, you can access all the photos in that particular folder. Here I clicked the 2009 folder for example:

Credit: kunlun_shan

send me a PM if this doesn't work. there are a couple other ways to do variations of the same thing.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
The above - Lightroom 4.3?


And "Library" in your home directory is hidden. But... I thought iPhotos were in there which they are not. they are in Pictures/iPhoto Library but access to that folder is limited (and Lightroom won't give me direct access to it and it shouldn't as it's iPhotos "database" and not organized)

Credit: nature
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jump_junky

Social climber
Pacifica, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
I've been using Nikon ViewNX2 for several years, and of course, I have a Nikon camera. I prefer that it doesn't use a database to store photo data like Aperture and Lightroom. Browsing photos comes straight off the disc and is faster and less prone to crashing.

ViewNX2 has very good RAW processing. And it's very simple to use.

There's also a free version called ViewNx, which is identical to the other, but with an older-looking interface.

But aside from that, I've used both Aperture and Lightroom, and the Adobe product is much better.

damon
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
I have no imagination - I use Photoshop...

you could also consider GIMP
http://www.gimp.org/
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
Nature, what happens if you do a search for an image name in Finder, like this?

Credit: kunlun_shan

and then select a higher level, up from the file name, right clicking "Open Enclosing Folder":

Credit: kunlun_shan

I have Lightroom 2, but newer versions should still work similarly. If you can get to the folder, you can drag the files into a Lightroom catalogue.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Lightroom is great. Photoshop is nice if you want to make crazy graphics or do a ton of processing, but to make good pictures you don't really need photoshop. It's a great program, and I use it, but just excessive for most cases.

Also, GET RID OF IPHOTO!!! It's crappy in many ways. If you use an adobe product using bridge is really nice and clean.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
I don't get a search result if I search for a file that's in iPhoto Library. Are you running OSX 10.8.2. At some point Apple made the iPhoto Library a Package which limits access (including search).
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
To see what's in a package, right-click on it and select "Show package contents".
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Nature - another quick workaround is to control-click (or right click) a photo in iPhoto, and choose Show File. It'll open up the folder the file is in, and you can navigate from there:

Credit: kunlun_shan
QITNL

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
OMG, that's the kinda thing that triggers my Tourettes. Another reason I'm not budging past 10.6.

Here is a nice little piece of shareware that might help you locate your stuff:

http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/

I don't know if it works on those stupid-ass packages. But it's better than the Find File in the OS which looks like it's becoming increasingly useless.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
I don't get a search result if I search for a file that's in iPhoto Library.

Are you choosing "file name" when you search? See the red circle on the pic upthread.

And start the search from the hard drive rather than a higher level folder.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
iPhoto is the devil.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Find File works perfectly fine. Apples rational for this is that you don't need direct access to your iPhoto files. There's 15 different ways to get at the photos without digging around in their filesystem database. It makes sense to keep you from f*#king sh#t up.

So no, Find File won't locate files in a Package... it's a package not part of the file system.

So the easy way to get anything from iPhoto to Lightroom is to drag it from iPhoto onto the LR icon on the doc.

What I guess I'm wrestling with is the best way to manage the files in two applications without having duplicates.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
Credit: nature
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Nature, it's nice to have duplicates especially when editing because you can always go back to the original file. Kinda like keeping slides or negatives..

Nice pic
QITNL

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
What I guess I'm wrestling with is the best way to manage the files in two applications without having duplicates.

The "best way" is probably subjective, options include:

 old school, you put your files where you want.
 stay within the Adobe suite, their apps all somewhat sync.
 use iPhoto and Apple's iPhoto file management, which turns all your files into mystery meat.

If by "two applications" you mean iPhoto and Lightbox, bear in mind they are purposely designed not to interact - and it sounds like it's getting worse.

I'm old-school, so I'd extract everything out of iPhoto and put it into a real folder where I could find it. Then I would back that folder up. Everything down the road goes straight into that folder and iPhoto isn't touched.

On a related tip, for fast and dirty photo sharing, I'm really starting to like dropbox.
DM88T

climber
San Juan Bautista, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
Capture One by PHASEONE but they're slow to support new camera's RAW files.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:37am PT
I 2nd the notion of "Get rid of iPhoto"! Seriously, once you've got all your pics in the Lightroom Catalog, dump your iPhoto library. Make sure to Copy when you import to Lightroom, then get rid of everything iPhoto. Apple has really pissed a lot of people off, myself included with their cute little Faces feature. You cannot shut it off, so on a mass import into the newer versions of iPhoto it will convert say 1000 photos into 8,000. Duplicates up the yingyang too.

Also, in Iphoto 11 you can no longer view individual files outside of the application itself, as in the iPhoto library. You get the one library icon and that's it. If you want to look at an individual file or delete, you have do it within iPhoto. They may have their reasons but it doesn't work well in the real world. Too much automation from Apple. Why do people want their little boxes and screens to do everything for them? Might as well click a button that says "live your life".

Arne
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:48am PT
Thanks for the warning, ionlyski! Luckily I have a "dumber" version, iPhoto 09.
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
Jan 29, 2013 - 08:01am PT
I don't know of any simple way to keep both iPhoto and Lightroom going without maintaining two copies of the photos. I'd dump iPhoto. I imported into both for a while, but have fully moved over to Lightroom. I pop out into full Photoshop occasionally (mainly for web work, rather than pure photography) but not all that often. If I was doing professional photography, I'd be popping out more to get the last couple of %.

To view hidden files and directories, go to Utilities, open Terminal, and copy and paste:
defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles YES

Finder will then show all files. That makes it easier to import the iPhoto directory into Lightroom.

Definitely worth thinking through how you are going to tag and track your photos. I haven't been as organized as I should have, and have ended up with my photography and stock photos I was using for a web project mixed together in a few places. Not good. Lightroom doesn't suffer the disorganized as well as iPhoto does.

There are good books on Lightroom and workflow. My house burned down two months ago, so I can't dig up the book I used and am not recognizing it on Amazon. I'd ask Jerry Dodrill. I think I chose it based on a recommendation from him. I'd highly recommend taking his summer class at Sierra Nevada College. A lot of time is spent on digital darkroom skills and he is a whiz. I'd also highly recommend offsite backups :-)

Getting the workflow right is pretty key. Lightroom has put the editing commands in the order it thinks you should use them, but worth think through what you want to do in raw before going into the lightroom editor. Also, using batch commands on a set of similar photos to quickly get close.

For people who just need a simple tool, http://ipiccy.com/ is pretty darn cool for a free, online photo editor.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Jan 29, 2013 - 09:21am PT
Jbaker has it right. It will bite you eventually (with confusing duplicates) to run both.

Iphoto 9 was the last OK version but it seems to be all about automation now.

Just wait till your car starts driving itself cuz it Thinks you're about to wreck, rendering your steering wheel and brakes useless. Think I'm joking?

Arne
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 29, 2013 - 09:33am PT
There are good books on Lightroom and workflow......Getting the workflow right is pretty key.

I found this guy's $25 ebook a bargain. Leading outdoor photographer with a professional workflow:

http://www.michaelclarkphoto.com/#/BOOKS/DIGITAL%20WORKFLOW/
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2013 - 09:42am PT
jbaker, thanks for the input.

Personally I find iPhoto works just fine in terms organizing my photos. Thus far I'm finding the Lightroom interface clunky for that. But what can I expect after three days. I'm sure there are key aspects I'm missing. I have no intention of keeping duplicate files around.

Apple does what they do for reasons. I get that they are frustrating to some. Whatever. I just let myself adapt to what they offer rather than try and change it or let myself get my panties in a twist.

In the end chances are I won't want direct access to my iPhoto files - they are not organized in any way that would make it easier for me to import. I'll just have to take the time and work through years of my photos if I decide move them all into Lightbox. Which is fine since they need to be worked through and organized better anyway.

As far as off site backups go I've done that for years. Time machine and two external drives. One goes in the fire safe and the other goes out the door. Sometimes it's in my truck, sometimes at a friends. Doesn't matter. If my truck blows up and catches my house on fire then I'll just shoot myself (provided all the ammo doesn't go off in the fire safe).

Back to Lightroom - I've been focusing on getting the hang of organizing and managing files. I'm still looking for the setting to change the default import directory (from Pictures). Once I get the hang of that I'll move on to the Editing stuff. I see those are the tools I'm looking for that iPhoto can't come close to touching.

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 29, 2013 - 09:57am PT
Nature. Simplify your life and dump all your images in a photos folder in the original camera folders. Then go from there.

Edit I guess I should say that I copy all my images to my computer directly from my cf card. I don't import them. I just find the last image in my computer photos folder and then goto the cf card folder and copy everything newer than that. It makes it a lot easier to keep them in the original camera folders and then they don't get mixed up.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Jan 29, 2013 - 10:00am PT
I shoot Nikon Raw (NEF), ingest with Photo Mechanic, then import with Adobe LR4. For edits not possible in LR4 I go out to Photoshop or Nikon NX2 or Helicon or whatever, and then save back to LR4. LR4 is a great cataloging tool and it does most edits. All on a MacBook Pro 17.

Someone mentioned they use also use Nikon NX 2. Nikon NX2 is becoming archaic. Nikon is not updating it anymore and the company that developed the program for Nikon has been bought by Google.

Another thought, if you have use for more than just Lightroom, consider Adobe Creative Cloud. It's a subscription. For $50 a month you get access to every program they make, and all updates: Photoshop, Lightroom, Premier, Audition, Dreamweaver, Flash, Acrobat, etc. If you use some of those things or need to, it's a tremendous value.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 29, 2013 - 10:13am PT
I always used Photoshop as a journalist (though I am not a graphic designer).

I have Adobe Suite with Photoshop included. But since upgrading to OS X Lion, it does not support My Adobe Suite. Bummer, but I cannot and will not put out like 1,000 plus for a product I already bought.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
So I'd like to easily manage my photos between my various Apple devices. How to I go about getting my photos onto my iPhone or (especially) iPad if I ditch iPhoto?

(drag to album in iPhoto on Mac and sync is about as easy as it gets)

old-schoolers need not reply ;-)
The Alpine

climber
Jan 30, 2013 - 07:40am PT
The first step is to stop using iPhoto!

What about a networked harddrive? Access to all from anywhere.
I second the sentiment above of just copying your cards into a organized photos directory folder on your computer.

Edit:
Maybe, I missed it, but what are you using the photos for? Personal? Business?
Gilwad

climber
Frozen In Somewhere
Jan 30, 2013 - 07:46am PT
Lightroom. Aperture is iPhoto glorified, and an absolute nightmare for file management. I tried to use Aperture for a year and just gave up, it does truly just suck in its file management. If you find iPhoto annoying then Aperture is professional-level annoying.

Within about an hour of using Lightroom my photo world made sense again. Both programs take some time to work out, but having really worked through Aperture I would never foist that program on anyone, I truly hate it. All those lost hours in Aperture trying to find files, organize drives, my god but it is horrendous. Didn't realize how bitter I was until I started writing this.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 30, 2013 - 08:23am PT
Doug;
If you already have an older version of photoshop on your computer,
you can upgrade to the latest version for about 200 dollars.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 08:27am PT
The Alpine: For personal.

I have decided on Lightroom. Aperture doesn't have a trial version so forget that.

I've just upgraded my cameras - I bought a canon S100 with underwater housing and a canon 60D.

regarding iPhoto - I don't find it annoying at all. Maybe I'm just use to it. So far I've found the way Lightroom organizes to be slightly annoying but I probably need to get use to that.

If someone can point out how I can use Lightroom to manage my images and share them seamlessly and as easily with my other iOS devices I'll be more inclined to use that. Until then I guess I'll do my work in Lightroom and management in iPhoto.

Cosmic - I don't and I don't need Photoshop. I'm not planning on doing manipulations. The "Develop" area in Lightroom is really all I need (minus organizing).


Credit: nature
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:34am PT


photo not found
Missing photo ID#287186
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 10:44am PT
awesome.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:48am PT
I could have done better if I had a Wacom Pen Tablet
on my laptop, like I do my home computer.

Trying to select and erase with a mouse sucks.
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:02am PT
I use Aperture 3 and like it just fine. Run it on a newish Macbook Pro with 8G of ram. Anything less and the performance is too poor.

--Great for organizing a large library and very fast on keyword (including data in the image headers) searches even with 100,000+ images in the library

--good tools in Aperture for image tweaking and good ability to work in batch mode. If I want to put sharks behind divers, I fire up Photoshop Elements 9.

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:37am PT
I just upgraded from cs3 to cs5
and i'm lovin it!
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 30, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
If you already have an older version of photoshop on your computer,
you can upgrade to the latest version for about 200 dollars.

Depends how old the older version is. Adobe used to allow upgrades from any previous version. They changed that policy a few years back. Now they only allow 2 versions back or newer to qualify for upgrade pricing.
ryanb

climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 30, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Lightroom has a "copy photos into my library" or "import in place" setting. I think iphoto has the same which should let you import and index the same folders of images with both without having either keep a copy internally (they just keep a pointer to the location).

You may have to export everything from iphoto first.

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
I gave that a try but if I export it from iPhoto it makes a copy. I can't switch iPhoto to view the export as one of its libraries.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 30, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
I tried 'segmenting' my hard drive and created a second smaller one with a Leopard OS, still, no chance with Adobe Suite. F*#k Apple and F*#k Adobe, I paid good money for my Adobe suite, and for my Macs. I am still a Mac person, and I like Adobe, but if they cannot play along and sync with one another, f*#k it, its a money game and they have it and I don't.

But I will never ever go to Windows.

All of these companies get you by the curlies and then screw you. I'd almost want to become a hacker to screw them back. But I don't have the expertise and I do not believe in hacking.

Steve Jobs can rot in hell, and Geschke and Warnock can go to hell, greedy bastards.

I bought Adobe Suite and then Apple upgrades to a new OS and now my Adobe suite is useless unless I pay another 1,000, which I don't have. I am a full-time carer for my partner, and I cannot afford their bullshit games and greed.

Perhaps an analogy. I buy a car with a stereo system. A couple of years later...

... oh forget it, a bad analogy.

Screw these pricks. No wonder there are hackers out there. These companies thrive on greed.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
Patrick,

What version of the Adobe suite do you have? CS4? CS3?
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:00am PT
NO Froodish. CS2 but it worked fine with my Leopard, but Adobe tells me that I have to upgrade - at 1,000 - to the latest in order to use it on Lion.

But that does not seem right that I paid good money for CS2 several years ago and now I have to pay out more, in some ways I sort of lay the blame on Apple for not making apps like CS2 compatible, but then I am no expert on operating systems.

If Adobe could offer me a cheaper upgrade (being a full-time carer and with freelance work hard to come by, I live on a paltry 204 a week Carer's Allowance), I'd take back what I've said about them.

Maybe I am just being nave. I know we have to upgrade things from time to time, but CS2 is not THAT old.

I thought if I partitioned my hard drive and created a second smaller drive (Leopard) that I could load Leopard and CS2 and that would solve the problem. I didn't really use the CS2 suite much, but it was handy to have as a journalist/writer.

I have no problems with any of my Microsoft programs on Lion, and I think it should be the same with CS2, but alas, it is not. Apparently PowerPC applications are no longer supported (that's the message I get when trying to open Photoshop or InDesign) in Lion.
Jerry Dodrill

climber
Sebastopol
Jan 31, 2013 - 07:22am PT
Patrick, you either ride the technology wave or get pummeled in the backwash. Don't get farther behind more than 2 generations. The new versions are so much better than the old ones there is no logic in not using them. Especially in software.

To the OP: you are on the right track with Lightroom. Watch Chris Orwig's tutorials on LR4 at Lynda.com. All your questions will be answered.
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 31, 2013 - 08:07am PT

Use Gimp(open source Photoshop clone) and ImageMagick(open source everything for gfx). ImageMagick is especially good at batch processing of images. I like the command line use of ImageMagick "convert" with -sharpen and -contrast-stretch when I have hundreds of images to process. Familiarity with some scripting language helps, I guess.


They are both free and downloadable, although consider donating.

Darwin
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 08:26am PT
Patrick:

Adobe offers some education and non-profit discounts. Worth checking to see if you can qualify somehow. The price will still be pretty darn high.

There are several free, web-based photo editors that aren't bad. More of an iPhoto/Picasa level of capability than Photoshop, but they might be enough. iPiccy.com is my current favorite.

For occasional use, you might be able to get away with using trial versions of CS?, Photoshop Elements, Lightroom.

I'm not sure where in the UK you are, but there might be a Telecentre nearby with the Adobe suite available.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Thanks for the tip, Jerry.

Everything was going so well. I'm working through
Photoshop Lightroom 4 Essentials: 01 Organizing and Sharing with the Library Module

I got so excited to see the Importing from iPhoto or Aperture.

And then when I tried it it didn't allow me to import.

m'eh!

still... this is good stuff. Guess I'll have to migrate my 11K photos from iPhoto the hard way though.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
Jerry, I understand, but it is not like I can either afford it or using it for professional reasons.

Jbaker, Ireland, not the UK, but yes, I have had to deal with Adobe in the UK. Told me I have to upgrade, no other way around it. I am still going to try to figure out a way to use my CS2 Suite on my Leopard drive. Just haven't found a way yet. Time to talk with a Mac technician who has worked on my computers before.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Doug;
Just for your info,
You can download a good photo editing program
called Jasc paintshop pro 9.

you can get the program and others for free at
4shared.com

Paintshop pro 9 is pretty cool and I use it a lot in conjunction with Photoshop CS5.
I can still use most of the old photoshop pluginsin Jasc, that the new versions of Photoshop won't accept anymore. A lot of those old filter plugins are pretty powerful, covering most actions you want to perform
on a photo.

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Jerry is my hero. I see the light(room).
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:31am PT
Patrick,

Rosetta (needed to run PowerPC apps in Leopard) is an optional install. You should be able to install it through the Leopard install DVD. That should let you run CS2.

I don't really know what you needs are, but you might want to check out Acorn. It's one of the new-ish lighter weight apps and is only $50 and people seem to really like it.

Honestly, I'd dump Photoshop if I could (and I've been using it since version 2) but I have to deal with so many PSDs from designers that I have to keep it reasonably current.

Feel free to ping me if you have any issues with the Rosetta install.

Cheers,

-Steve
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:00am PT
Nature:

I see the iPhoto files organized by year and roll name:

Credit: The user formerly known as stzzo

You can create a browsable link to your iPhoto storage directory in terminal with:

ln -s ~/Pictures/iPhoto\ Library/Masters ~/Pictures/iPhoto\ Masters

To get there from your Open File dialog, use multi-column mode.

I've modified the original images with PS, stored PSD's, etc in my iPhoto library dirs without any problems so far. Granted, I haven't done it a lot.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 2, 2013 - 08:47am PT
CS2 is more than "just a couple of years old".

You may look into this alternative.

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/cssubscription.html
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 09:29am PT
thanks stzzo... I was going to try the sym link but decided against it. The file structure isn't the way i wanted to import into Lightroom.

Google has a little app called Photoshare the did the trick. It looks like not much more than a shell script with a crappy UI. Looks like it just takes the XML file and parses it and builds the images file structure based on . I wanted things dumped as "photos". so I'm all set now with that.

Where Jerry really helped was pointing me towards Chris Orwig's tutorials on LR4 at Lynda.com. I'll probably pay for the month after the week trial. Trying to figure out the work flow on my own was not going to happen.

In the end I still (apparently) need iPhoto for photostream and for sharing on my other devices. Otherwise I'm totally committed and hooked in LR4.

Now I'm just waiting for my new dSLR to arrive.

The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:56am PT
@Patrick Sawyer:

Reportedly, Rosetta doesn't run on newer Macs.

Check out this link, or point your Mac guy to it: Three ways to keep running your Rosetta apps with Lion installed

Apple supported Rosetta apps for 5 years. In the computer world, that's a long time... Windows' forever-backward-compatible practice is an anomaly that has its downside.

They're now on CS6. That's a 4 major version difference from CS2. It's definitely unfortunate that the upgrade is so expensive, but it is "that old" in the computer world.
weezy

climber
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
neckbeard represent

sudo apt-get install darktable

gonna give it a go. gimp is giving me a headache.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
So I got serious about this and bought an iMac - 27" i7, 3.4GHz, 1T Fusion drive.

the lineup: iMac, MacBook Pro, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPad3. and an old nano is hiding in my truck feeding the tunes there and there's an extra 27" attached to the iMac.

Credit: nature
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 4, 2013 - 10:59am PT
CS2 is more than "just a couple of years old".

SRBphoto, okay, four years old, I bought my Adobe Suite in 2008.

I'll find a way to run my CS2, or look for alternatives, like some that have been posted on this thread.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:04am PT
If you're not into doing graphics or manips a la Cosmic then CS2 is still
perfectly serviceable for adjusting saturation, adding a curve/contrast,
sharpening, cloning out dust bunnies, etc. I wouldn't upgrade if I didn't
have a pressing need to.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
SRBphoto, okay, four years old, I bought my Adobe Suite in 2008.

CS2 was already 3 years old in '08 (CS4 was released in Oct '08). Hope you got a discount.

If you're not into doing graphics or manips a la Cosmic then CS2 is still
perfectly serviceable for adjusting saturation, adding a curve/contrast,
sharpening, cloning out dust bunnies, etc. I wouldn't upgrade if I didn't
have a pressing need to.

Functionality isn't really the issue here, Apple was in the middle of switching CPU architectures from PowerPC to Intel during that period. CS2 is a PowerPC Application. Rosetta was a component that allowed Intel based Macs to run PowerPC applications. Apple discontinued support for Rosetta in 10.7.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
CS2 was already 3 years old in '08 (CS4 was released in Oct '08). Hope you got a discount.

Froodish, no, I paid top dollar (euro) for it. I trusted the salesman at TypeTec here in Dublin. Guess I was a fool. Actually, I bought the Suite in February 2009, heck, I was a sucker it appears.

I should have done my homework better. And now that I look back about a couple of other issues when I bought it, my iMac and my MacBook... ah, heck, no sense looking back. A lesson learned. I was the stupid one. He apparently off-loaded some old stuff on me, and I was too much an idiot to realize it.

C'est la vie.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Patrick.... PM sent.


$1899 for CS6. um... wow.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:17am PT
Kunlun-shan and Nature. Thanks for your emails and advice.

This is one of the things that makes the Taco Stand a great forum.

Cheers

Patrick
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Apr 10, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
Does anyone know if there is a way to weed out or find duplicate photos in Lightroom? My catalog is at about 9000 photos and I want to get it clean. I'm certain there are plenty of duplicates.

Also, how do you display or determine a photo's file size? It tells me the resolution, like 1200 X 800 but I can't find a way to view each image's file size in megabytes.

Thanks for any help.

Arne
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Apr 10, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
I've found that if you shoot raw+jpeg, then it's easy to find dupes
sheepdog

Trad climber
just over the hill
Apr 11, 2013 - 02:14am PT
I like open source photo processing software.

For working on jpegs or other 8 bit images use gimp. For raw format I'm working with Darktable and liking it.

For the OP the Darktable 1.2 release has a Macintosh disk image download available. http://www.darktable.org/2013/04/released-1-2/
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Apr 11, 2013 - 06:46am PT
Yeah, but you guys are talking over my head. I already made the choice to get away from iPhoto, which pissed me off by creating new images for me with their FACES feature and go with Lightroom, so unless you tell me that's a big mistake, that's where I'll stay now.

Anybody else? Large library or catalog I guess they call it and I want to purge any duplicates. The exact file size used to be one way I could tell which photos were my originals but either Lightroom doesn't give me that info or I'm too ignorant. I'm on a Mac.

Thanks again,
Arne
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Apr 11, 2013 - 07:04am PT
imo, Lightroom is a better product than iphoto
However, I also know former Lightroom users who are now using Capture 1 software.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 11, 2013 - 07:49am PT
Arne, I'd use the command line and fdupes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fdupes

But there are GUI app that do this as well:

http://www.araxis.com/find-duplicate-files/index-eur.html

Not sure if its possible from within Lightroom.
DonC

climber
CA
Apr 11, 2013 - 07:52am PT
there is a plugin called Duplicate Finder for Lightroom. This also checks the meta data, not just file names, so it will also find dups even if they have different file names
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
May 6, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
And it's the end of the line for Adobe's boxed products:

http://www.adobe.com/cc/letter.html

Your only choice now is to rent the CC (does that stand for creative cloud, or credit card?) versions. My purchase of CS6 will be the last money Adobe gets from me.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Jan 20, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
When I import a jpg of 3.4mb into Lightroom 4 on my Mac, it becomes 15.1 MB. Why?
I can't seem to find any import preferences, just settings that affect export preferences. What am I missing?

Thanks.

Arne
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 20, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
Are you importing it directly from the camera storage card?
If so then the camera may be compressing the files.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Jan 20, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
Compression is what you're missing, when you open up the jpeg in PS or LR you're getting the full size of the image, ie megabytes, RAW and Tiff are uncompressed Formats. . .
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Jan 21, 2014 - 08:31am PT
This one in particular, I received a jpg via email at 3.4mb. Imported into LR and it is now a 15.1mb jpg. Does this sound right? I had received an earlier low rez copy from the photographer and asked her for a high rez version, which she sent.

So, is LR performing an "uncompress" during this operation?

Thanks Dean and Reilly!

Arne
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