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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 30, 2013 - 12:51am PT
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Best of luck to the OP, but I have to agree that launching off on a long road trip in a 600 dollar van and little money or car know-how is not smart. Kinda funny that the guy has a smart phone that is probably worth more than the van! Somebody needs to help this poor guy, he is lucky the auto parts store took the electrical parts back.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 30, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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Luckily, he didn't open up the fuel pump packaging, so in as new shape. He tested the old one and saw it was not the issue.
Seems Andrew does have some know-how with vehicles, just not able to get this one figured out as of yet. He has been methodically going through the various components and troubleshooting.
I am hoping it is eventually some stupid not too expensive part. Will mention the thread update to him tomorrow, if I see them before I leave(Teddy has doctors appointment early).
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jan 30, 2013 - 01:06am PT
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Just an observation, but to start an engine you need spark, fuel and compression. If the engine truly started (as mentioned) using the starter fluid--you already have spark and compression, so that would seem to leave a fuel supply issue. Therefore, you can probably rule out the coil/ignition related issues and focus on why the engine is not getting gas. Good luck guys.
Curt
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Jan 30, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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You guys are still falling for this ruse?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 30, 2013 - 01:21am PT
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To be very clear - these two did not ask me to spend one cent of that money outright, and seemed to have forgotten it existed until I reminded them. They then continued to troubleshoot. It was only when they came to the point where dropping tank/replace fuel filter seemed the next thing to try did they meekly ask if I still had the money to help.
Agree or disagree with the decision process, but for god's sake - why do people think every damned thread from someone who isn't a known entity is a troll or scam?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jan 30, 2013 - 01:30am PT
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maybe y'all should pool your money and buy a toyota! ;-)
good for you for helping them.
freewheelin without a net is dicey.
character building.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 30, 2013 - 02:32am PT
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A couple answers i found on the web with issues similar to yours.
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hi, check the connections at the ecm,i think it's under pass front seat,i've had a couple of those years loose injector signal at ecm connector,if you have a test light you can unplug injectors and test across terminals ,it's a 12v signal at inj ,if lights flash on both while cranking try plugging in one at a time and see if either sprays, if one does and not the other, you would have a shorted injector
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you will need to check the fuel pressure first. the vortec engines need 55 psi of fuel pressure to start and run efficiently. if fuel pressure is good then check for power and injector pulse before condemning the ecm (you will need a wiring diagram.)
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 30, 2013 - 10:40am PT
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This is one of the most entertaining threads of all time, it has it all: internet panhandling, unabashed dirtbaggery, and broken-down vehicles. All set in tweaker country. Classic!!
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pelut espania
Big Wall climber
Espania
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Jan 30, 2013 - 10:52am PT
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En mi country, this would be called "los ciegos guiando a los retrasados" and is very much LOL.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 30, 2013 - 11:37am PT
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You can borrow a lot of tools from Autozone for free, such as fuel pressure gauge, but you have to leave a deposit.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 30, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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launching off on a long road trip in a 600 dollar van and little money or car know-how is not smart
Sounds to me like this young feller has pretty damn good car know-how. Not many people dropping fuel tanks in strip mall parking lots, ya know.
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ruppell
climber
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Jan 30, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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Agree or disagree with the decision process, but for god's sake - why do people think every damned thread from someone who isn't a known entity is a troll or scam?
Ummmmmmmmm? Because it's the interweb. lol
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 30, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
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Thank you.
It's good that some climbing got done.
Wow doubble - Delayed post.
I went and helped these two when they were stuck in Calabasas....
I was very impressed with Andrew and his attitude. He knows that some sh#t went wrong but he was using his resources and brains.
He was on Craigs list and had sold some of the extra stuff they had, so he was getting cash not by begging but by selling stuff.
Looks like now they are at the PIT and thats a good thing. He can get in some climbing and get that sucker fixxed.
To all the folks who are calling scam, dumb, stupid, not planned well etc..... I just want to say this.
Were you ever a young climber, roadtripping and had something go wrong????
I have been there before and I learned from my mistakes. I am sure Andrew is learing some things too.
Happy climbing
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HF
climber
I'm a Norwegian stuck in Joshua Tree
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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"To be very clear - these two did not ask me to spend one cent of that money outright, and seemed to have forgotten it existed until I reminded them. They then continued to troubleshoot. It was only when they came to the point where dropping tank/replace fuel filter seemed the next thing to try did they meekly ask if I still had the money to help."
So why would they have to ASK for the money that were donated to them?
HF
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 30, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
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HF - What happened was:
 A person PayPaled me some funds, to use to get gas to go see what I could do for these people. At the time, it seemed like it was the fuel pump, and also that they were paying out an amount for towing which would put a nice dent in money they had earmarked.
I let Andrew and Cheney know that I had this amount made available - and it was in my PayPal account which I have a credit card attached to. I have long since forgotten the debit card PIN for that card, and never bothered to go to PayPal and figure it out, sine I can simply use the card in "credit" mode. To get the funds as cash, I would need to either get on the phone with PayPal and do that, or transfer funds to my bank account, which can take up to 3 days to do.
It seemed easier to me to just say "I can help you to a point, let me know what you need." and pay as needed via the credit card especially since I figured they could use the help in transportation in getting to car parts store and such. I assumed this would all happen that night and the next day, time during which I made myself available at their call. Of course I did work online during this time, and was not sitting there alongside them - I would call or stop over throughout the day, see what they needed, and pay for things as they came up. Andrew trouble-shooted and worked through Saturday, and decided to drop the tank on Sunday.
For what it's worth -the person who sent hat money is aware of all this, and has sent me an email telling me they have no problem with it.
I have also let Andrew know that, now that I have gotten my own cash flow going again, that there is X amount of funds available to help with car repair.
It seems you might live in JT, HF? If so -why not swing by the Pit and introduce yourself, take your own look at the van if you have any suggestions as to what they might look for.
As update -it seems they have ruled out the coil being the problem, after feeling that it was in fact the issue. They are back to looking at the various ground connections, and apparently there are like 30 of them.
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HF
climber
I'm a Norwegian stuck in Joshua Tree
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Jan 30, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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Thank you for taking the time to explain this.
HF
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 30, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
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It is only a matter of time before one of these threads gets picked up as the basis for a reality TV show.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jan 30, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
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...As update -it seems they have ruled out the coil being the problem...
Duh. Too bad they didn't read my post above.
Curt
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 30, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
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They DID Curt...and have been reading the thread.
When I let Andrew know about the "coil suggestion" the guy at parts store mentioned, he frustratingly said "ggggrrrrrrr..."(well,okay,m not exactly that, but you get the idea). I would assume he tested it because 1) It was there and 2) he hadn't yet found the problem
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Jan 30, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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It's not a troll, I have met them and seen the van. Shocked it made it that far. LOL
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