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WBraun
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Jan 27, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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Did you try it with the gas cap open?
I just went thru the same problem here with a crown vic police interceptor.
It would not fire until I opened the gas cap.
The gas cap was defective and after replacement everything worked flawless again.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 27, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
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Yes he did. No go.
We are now taking some TBI part(may be wrong term) to see if they can test it at the shop.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 27, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
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OK
Good luck folks ......
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 27, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
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I wouldn't do that yet!
Pull the OBD codes and see what it reads.
The computer is probably not sending a signal to the injectors or your fuel pressure is low.
There are a number of things that can cause both.
You'll go broke guessing.
On the older GMs you can ground a pin in the computer connector and the trouble light will flash out a code if you don't have access to an OBD reader.
Look up the code in the manual and it will point you in the right direction.
It will not tell you definitively what's wrong though!
Scientific method applies here.
Theorem
Proof, step by step.
no guessing.
Example:
OBD code says no throttle position signal.
That doesn't mean you run to the parts store for a new one until you've proved that all the connections are good and it really is bad as indicated by direct measurements.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 27, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
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Pull the OBD codes and see what it reads.
The best advice at this point in time for sure ......
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 27, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
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Getting those codes really could be a lifesaver at this point.
Hmm another thing to try would be clearing the computer by disconnecting the battery for a few minutes.
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verticalbound
Trad climber
Anchorage
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
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And that probably would be stern advice if half the wiring in this $600 van looked correct, my issue is the van ran fine, started to overheat we pulled over let it sit for an hour and then... No fuel. Had it towed, verified pump is fine lines are clear, grounds all appear to be solid besides a little old. I guess im just to unqualified, lacking in tools, and broke to reach a solution.
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verticalbound
Trad climber
Anchorage
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
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Serious question if i am going to check each injector for power should i be using the second wire( blue on one, green on the other) as the meter ground?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 28, 2013 - 02:11am PT
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Time to fire off the . . . . .
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 28, 2013 - 04:22am PT
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hey there, say, all...
i have now learned this from supertopo:
do not buy a van--unless you know all this tricky stuff, and
can solve mysteries...
for me, that is... :O
prayers and well wishes for you all, and for all those
that are helping out...
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hootowl
Mountain climber
VA
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Jan 28, 2013 - 10:42am PT
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Happygrrllll is one hell of a great person. Happie I am going to donate to YOU on PayPal as soon as I get paid on Saturday. Seriously. I don't need a chalkbag but you have gone above and beyond. I have to admit, like others, I thought these people were super-trolls, esp after the Peru debacle we recently ran through here. But they are just young folks in need of help. I intend to help as soon as I can. But I think I will refill Happie's coffers since she is onsite and seems to be a godsend to these youngsters. Way to go Happie! This website is an enormous bundle of contradictory types and personalities and stories. This is a good one! I hope Vertical enjoys his time in Josh once he gets there.
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Abend
Social climber
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Jan 28, 2013 - 11:59am PT
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Happygrrllll is one hell of a great person
+1!!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 28, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
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VB... hang in there. This is sort of like your 1 pitch from top of wall and now your rope is stuck!!!
Clear thinking is needed to solve the riddle.
The thing cranked and "started" on the "Spray" right?
GOOD, that means you didn't fry the motor.
You dropped the tank and the "pump runs" .... so the pump works.. ie "it pumps the fuel" all the way to the INJECTOR MAIN UNIT ... Crack the line at the place where the fuel enters this.... lots of fuel when you turn on the KEY.
If no ... your fuel is not getting to the injectors.
If yes.... do you have water in your fuel??? (a tiny bit will mess up the works) Drain some of the the fuel into a glass jar and let it sit... the water will seperate.
Back to the RELAY, the one that was full of water and the replacement one you found in the van. Do not ASUME the replacement is/was good. Maybe put the one that was full of water back on, after it dries out.
Get out the starter spray... if you can get it to turn over again and fire on the SPRAY, do it. Then remove a plug and look at the electrode end.
If its wet and smells like fuel, you have water in your fuel and you can't run intill you get dry fuel into it. ( toss a few mothballs into tank ) if you got em.
You need to make sure nothing is wet or corroded in the electrical system, moisture in the fuse box, computer brain, throttle body switch or any of the wireing can be death to the little, weak 5 volt signals your injector system is looking for.
Lastly take a walk and give that van some time to dry out, sometimes water and moisture can kill you esp with old crappy cars.
Keep your chin up and let us know how this works out...
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 29, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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@OP
You really might want to consider another line of work.. you don't seem to be a very good dirtbag.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 29, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
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This is a pretty tough crowd.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 29, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
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I have to kinda of agree with both the J's.
I'm torn here. I've helped out people in need before, but I had to ask myself, how did they becomes so needy.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 29, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
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He'll do ok . It's just been a rough start. Who out there hasn't learned a few things the hard way...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 29, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
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Mike... +1
Skip... you ever Really Dirt bag?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 30, 2013 - 12:42am PT
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Here is a (slightly edited version) of a response to Guyman who emailed me a short while ago:
They made it to the Pit with the van yesterday morning via tow from a person found on Craigslist..
But, it is still not running. I went to the WM when they arrived there, but as it was nearing dusk, not much work was done that night. A little finagling with no results and I said "You probably could use a beer" and took them for dinner at Las Palmas in Yucca.
Saturday was spent with Andrew trying this and that, hoping he would not have to drop tank and replace fuel pump, but by that night felt that must be the problem.
Sunday bought a fuel pump, but when he tested the on in van, it was not bad. Returned fuel pump, and tested Ignition Relay(or something or other) which was also not not bad. The guy at shop said he'd had similar issue which turned out to be his coil, $20 part,and suggested to test it. But that, if bad, you had to remove distributor to get to replace it, and tension springs in that piece would render it useless once removed.... That part cost $125.
Yesterday they took a day and went climbing with others here at the Pit, and today Andrew did the same while Cheney did errands in town and charged batteries for phone so Andrew could again use it to search fix it info....
That is where it stands as of now.
A Supertopian Lady has donated some money to assist, and I told him with that and what I could donate, he would have up to $200 toward doing so. So, I guess he needs to figure out what the real issue is... and then we go from there.
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I couldn't have done anything had someone been the REAL person who helped, with cash. I didn't even have enough money that day to drive over and commiserate with them in person without that. So, I have given them some drive around help and emotional support but you know - my life is pretty unstructured, and I could do my online work(and get into disgusting trouble on this forum) while waiting in between fix attempts.
One thing - was talking to Clark today about the van symptoms, and mentioned that it "almost started" with Starter Fluid sprayed into the carbeurator area, but he said that if the van has fuel injection, then starter fluid would be useless.
I am pretty sure Andrew did say it is fuel injection. But maybe I misunderstood.
One other thing I just recalled - Andrew said he felt it must be a bad grounded wire somewhere, and that there are like 30 to choose from and that was his next area of focus.
But, their phone is charged now, so maybe he will post an update.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 30, 2013 - 12:50am PT
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Thank you.
It's good that some climbing got done.
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