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Trad climber
Denver, Colorado
Jul 11, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Moar fun from these people:

"verticalbound posted with several items for sale, including quickdraws and a mastercam. I paid for the items before leaving for CA, but when I returned, no gear has arrived and the seller is now unresponsive. The account shows "Last Visit: Jan 18, 2013", which is obviously not true as there have been many posts since then - but I'm not sure how the forum tracks visits. "


STFU n00b!!!
Jun 5, 2014 - 04:13pm PT

I was reading all of that over at Mt Proj...

Didn't realize that it was the same dude as this thread...

Seems like he got quite a few people with his scams...

Really not cool at all...

Surely HOPE the dude get's nailed and jailed...


Jun 5, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
nailed, and jailed, then nailed IN jail ;-)

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jun 5, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
So i ask this to "The Hawk" how do you tie these two to whats going on over on MP???

Looks sort of like the photos, the chick anyway. ( I remember women, better then dudes )

I have a phone # for Andrew......I gave em some money, well filled the Van up FULL when they were stuck at a gas station in my neck of the woods....

let me know

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jun 5, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
THX, I'll contact the dude at MP, give him the phone # I have......

These folks seem nice, but the world is full of flakes.....

maybe no more credit, in the climbing world.


Trad climber
Jun 5, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
I remember reading this thread when it first surfaced. This guy is truly a piece of work. He has stolen from me and I do not take that lightly. The climbing community looks out for one another, not steals from one another. Major bad karma and worse for Andrew.

Trad climber
Jun 5, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
I got ripped off by these 2 as well...ClimbingOn and I have been in contact and are seeing this does not go down quietly (he's done some really excellent detective work btw).

What really bums me out, is that I've met folks in JTree, Camp 4, and random crags across the country that have literally held my life in a nylon rope, some just a few minutes after meeting. The climbing community is a magical phenomenon and to has these jokers mess with that is blasphemy.

I'll let the finale of this pain-in-the-ass event be told. Thanks for the info and support!

Jun 5, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
You got scammed. Deal with it.


Take a trip to Leavenworth, WA.

Find the guy. Beat the crap out of him with the ice axes he promised to sell you.

Then take a trip to Leavenworth yourself.


Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 5, 2014 - 08:48pm PT

Climbon is the moron? WTF, you working with the thieves?
The user formerly known as stzzo

Sneaking up behind you
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:10pm PT
Guyman and / or ClimbingOn (whoever sent money via PayPal):

I think PayPal has a way to deal with fraud. Poke around on PayPal, or contact customer service or something.

And for prodigy:

This is the red flag, in my mind...

So our van sucks and we put off changing the oil till we get to 29 palms and it seems that was a mistake

Not a troll, god just put me on this earth to suffer.

Well, no... Suffering comes from not changing the oil when one should.

Jun 5, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
Climbon is the moron? WTF, you working with the thieves?

Yep. If you GIFT anyone money on paypal your a moron. Unless, it's family or friends. In this case it was neither. So, hence the use of the word moron. Read the MP thread to enlighten yourself.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 11:26am PT
your a moron

If your gonna call someone a moron...

Jun 6, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
...make sure your sh#t is straight

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jun 6, 2014 - 01:09pm PT
Guyman and / or ClimbingOn (whoever sent money via PayPal):

I just filled the tank with gas....

I have done this before for people who were "stuck" at stations. If I got scammed so be it.

I hope that some of the people I have helped were genuine.

These folks are climbers, members of the tribe, that makes it hurt some.

I feel for the KID, what sort of life is he going to lead?

Dead beat, scamming parents.

pretty sad.

STFU n00b!!!
Jun 6, 2014 - 01:16pm PT

"I just filled the tank with gas....

I have done this before for people who were "stuck" at stations."

I'm down at the Circle K with Crack Annie...

See you soon and THANKS!!!...


Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jun 6, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
LOCKER..... just wait a bit. Mybe I'll show up.


STFU n00b!!!
Jun 6, 2014 - 01:22pm PT


What's the BS about "Climbing community" again or however you worded it???...


Some friend to climbers you are...


GIVE me some gas money man!!!...

Cough it up JACK!!!....

Social climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 08:55am PT
Talk about persistence. Good for those two!

Jun 11, 2014 - 09:04am PT
copy pasted from Mountain Project for longevity:

Success! Both Dan and I have received all of our money back. This is completely due to PayPal and not that scumbag Andrew. I'm confident that without this thread and the lengths I went to as far as deconstructing Andrew and Cheyney's lives that neither Dan nor I would have seen a dollar of our money back. I believe that Andrew saw that if he responded to the PayPal claims it would have been something akin to lying under oath in court and would have negative consequences with any legal action Dan and I may have taken.

I made this personal for Andrew and Cheyney. Instead of being able to hide behind the fake Internet ID Andrew Love, I dug and made it about their real names, their real lives. I went to great lengths and tracked down and contacted many of Andrew and Cheyney's real-life friends and acquaintances. I gave them the backstory, explained that Andrew and Cheyney had stolen a great deal of money, and linked them to this thread. Now instead of Internet strangers knowing that Andrew and Cheyney are thieves, their real-life circle of friends know they are thieves.

Andrew and Cheyney lost on all counts. They have been publicly identified and shamed, the climbing community (or at least a reasonable portion of it) knows about them and the extent of their scams, their friends and acquaintances now know the real Andrew and Cheyney, and they did not end up with a dime of our money. While there are certainly no winners in this case, I feel good that most likely Andrew and Cheyney will be unable to continue stealing from climbers, that people here will ask a few more questions when purchasing gear, and that this is now behind me. "


Trad climber
San Diego
Jun 11, 2014 - 09:42am PT
Well done guys. Well done.

Olympia has a lot of tweekers. I saw the 360 area code and it all made sense.
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