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dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Feb 18, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
The grossest type of choss? Its made of sea creature corpses and their poop
semi solidified into brittle poopified hazmat corpse stone.

Get back on some granite now

Credit: dave729


Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
McHale's! Re your post & my post & your question:

McHales! Re your mention:
I forget the name of this intrepid climber, but he was the founder of Pipestone Mountaineering in Missoula, MT.



From Fritz!
Is that the near-legendary Jim Wilson?

Then your confused answer? (I did not answer your first question clearly)


You mean the Stoney Point Jim Wilson? That's not him and his name was not Jim Wilson. I mean Jim Wilson's name was Jim Wilson, but not this guy. I forget this guy's name, but it wasn't Jim Wilson. If it was Jim Wilson he would have recognized me as a Stoney Point guy but he didn't.

I doubt if the Jim Wilson that started Pipestone was the Stoney Point Jim Wilson, since the Pipestone founder (who is another Jim Wilson) grew up north of Butte and first started a climbing shop there, before expanding to Missoula. I'm sure of his name, since I worked with him as a outdoor gear sales-rep from day one. He sold the store a few years back to a Bozeman-based Nabob, who closed it in the 2008 recession.

Back to Choss. Much less confusing!

South side of Mt. Heyburn Sawtooth Range Idaho.  All decomposing grani...
South side of Mt. Heyburn Sawtooth Range Idaho. All decomposing granite, or sand lightly covering decomposing granite.
Credit: Fritz

Makes for quick descents!
Heidi glissading sand.  Only tricky places were when the sand was too-...
Heidi glissading sand. Only tricky places were when the sand was too-light a covering over rock.
Credit: Fritz
Plaidman

Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
Feb 18, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
kpinwalla2 as per your remark:
Choss climbing might really take off if belayers resembled gladiators....

Credit: Plaidman
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2013 - 12:41pm PT


Fortunately bright orange is easy to find if the choss collapses on you and we have to start digging.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
I doubt if the Jim Wilson that started Pipestone was the Stoney Point Jim Wilson, since the Pipestone founder (who is another Jim Wilson) grew up north of Butte and first started a climbing shop there, before expanding to Missoula. I'm sure of his name, since I worked with him as a outdoor gear sales-rep from day one. He sold the store a few years back to a Bozeman-based Nabob, who closed it in the 2008 recession.


Fritz, Wow! That would be a coincidence. It sure doesn't ring the bells it should, but I look for first signs of dementia, in myself and others! HaHa! That is challenging for climbers since there is already a high background level of the stuff.
Plaidman

Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
Feb 19, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
Fortunately bright orange is easy to find if the choss collapses on you and we have to start digging.

With picks and shovels? Use dynamite. It's faster.
MisterE

Social climber
Feb 19, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
Skip following "Trundle Trophy", Riverside Quarry.

Credit: MisterE

They took all of the limestone, and this is what is left.

Doesn't get much chossier than a fractured, blown-out cliff!

Disclaimer: The climbing is actually really good, if you can ignore the glue...
kpinwalla2

Social climber
WA
Feb 19, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
I'm looking at a lot of the photos on this thread, and to me, many of them feature rock that falls far below my standard for choss. But just how does one quantify "chossiness"? I'd suggest using the average density, as measured by combined length of cracks (fractures) per area of rock. So if you took a square meter of rock surface and measured the length of all of the cracks in that square meter and got 1 meter of fractures, that would not be so chossy as compared to say 5 or 6 meters of fractures. By this criteria, the rock in the photo below blows away most anything I've seen on here. Basically any piece of rock will move if a bit of force is applied to it - truly world class choss...
High above the Columbia....
High above the Columbia....
Credit: kpinwalla2
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
goodly metrics to work with there!








Separately, I think I want to climb in Texas Canyon.
briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Feb 22, 2013 - 02:13am PT
Going to Pinnacles for the next two days.....enough said
Plaidman

Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
Feb 22, 2013 - 09:20am PT
^^^Say no more. Wink wink nudge nudge.
Plaidman

Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:10am PT
Climbing into a sea of choss
Getting up the 96 foot band
Getting up the 96 foot band
Credit: Plaidman

The sea of choss is on this:
Credit: Plaidman
kpinwalla2

Social climber
WA
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:29am PT
Gotta love Columbia River basalt entablature - that columnar stuff is for choss-avoiding wimps. You're lucky over there on the west side, you have all that moss to hold it in place... Here's a shot of some REAL climbers braving the über-chossy basalt entablature of Wallula Gap.
Choss-fearing predators dare not follow...
Choss-fearing predators dare not follow...
Credit: kpinwalla2
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:57am PT
Munge- I'll take you to Texas Canyon.. the boy is done with that pile and there's some newly bolted crumble-fests to be sent.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
sounds fun! Let's target some time in Autumn/ or sooner if I visit the rents in so cal?

mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
We introduced Briham to some excellent Pinnacles choss on Saturday (after he did some of it's better routes on Friday). The only problem is - he's got the photos.

Post up a few Brian.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2013 - 12:07am PT
Get on FB already Brad. lol I saw some already. He actually sounded like he's warming up to the place, which makes no sense if you put him on The Snail. really?
briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Feb 25, 2013 - 12:10am PT
We introduced Briham to some excellent Pinnacles choss on Saturday (after he did some of it's better routes on Friday). The only problem is - he's got the photos.

Post up a few Brian.

Chossville
Chossville
Credit: briham89
The Snail 5.7R
The Snail 5.7R
Credit: briham89
The "I didn't die" look
The "I didn't die" look
Credit: briham89

I have to say, after this trip I am more excited to come back...the power of choss has compelled me after all.

He actually sounded like he's warming up to the place, which makes no sense if you put him on The Snail. really?

The snail was definitely not the driving force behind this paradigm shift haha
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2013 - 12:12am PT
couldn't have been Needles Eye, was it? OMG, chossville for sure.

briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Feb 25, 2013 - 12:19am PT
No, did 5 or 6 good routes on discovery wall, and one ok route on the frog.
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