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I'm Rick James, Bitch

Social climber
Up in it and down on it
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 23, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Dropping like flies!!

And I should know, CIRJB!!!!!(*)(*)

Kevin, point well taken but for me there are other issues. I know this is a forum for climbers rather than a climbing forum but the OT content and the ensuing drama has gone, at least for me, over the top.
Maybe it's the angst that becomes more prevalent in the depths of winter, maybe it's just what the forum has become. The fact remains that 80% of the threads currently on ST can be found anywhere on the internet. Those threads based on the posts they elicit dominate the content of ST.
As i aproach my 70th birthday, the sands running ever faster thru the hourglass, i have decided to dedicate this year to some climbing goals. A climbing forum can serve like a support group and this does if you are willing to dig. Unfortunately, i find myself getting sucked into the muck and morass of the bulk of discussion here.
I need to take a sabbatical while i get on with my goals. I'll peek in to see if i can find a nugget or two.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Not quitting, just disengaging. I need to focus on some things, read climbing, for awhile.
QITNL

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Happy climbing to you!
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Donini didnt quit cant you read.

He said he is not happy with his choices

" i find myself getting sucked into "

"I need to take a sabbatical while i get on with my goals"

Quit blaming anything as everyone is their own person
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Be well Donini. Best wishes for success in your upcoming endeavours. Serious stuff you've mentioned a while back.
this just in

climber
north fork
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Donini, I hope to just make it to 70. The fact that you still are living your legend is badass. Look forward to hearing about your upcoming year.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Donini's going climbing. Again.


Damn him.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
I'm going to miss the powerful and enticing Donini Troll lure. Best thing for largemouths since the Hoola Popper.

DMT
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
T*R has ruined our lives.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Like they say, "Take what you want and leave the rest."

The trouble arises when folks refuse to "leave the rest" and start grinding people on what they, personally, don't agree with. Such a person should start a blog and sound off there. We don't need policing here.

JL
mhay

climber
Reno, NV
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
I agree with donini, life is too short and precious to not STFUAGC.
QITNL

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
Hey, Sir Largo, hope you are healing up well!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Can't we default to doing New Orleans style wakes around here? All the doom and gloom over nothing is a bit melodramatic.

Some people packed their toys and left? Okay. Some others got banned? Yeah, that summary crap happens here with more frequency than the suck sacks would like to credit the almighty Oz. Somebody else says they want to refocus elsewhere? So what?

More power to Donini, he's a master troll, intriguing writer, and also entitled to do what he loves most: climbing.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Good luck on doing the NIAD Jim. That's a goal I hope to achieve too.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
I agree with donini, life is too short and precious to not STFUAGC.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Mr. Donini, enjoy your life outside ST! Happy climbing!

For me is just too much fun here to leave ;)
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
They also say"one man gathers what another man spills"...
See you at the crags Jim
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
It's not t*r's fault.

Her content was pretty meaty, worthy of discussion.

The drama was people's reaction to her's and other content, and no one is to blame for that except for the people who react and constantly bicker about it.

Case in point: Starting a new thread simply to say that couchmaster's post deletion thread is silly (or stupid, or whatever).

Maybe couchmaster's thread is silly, buy why the hell is an entirely new thread necessary, rather than simply commenting on the thread in question?

Donini's not the only one. How often do Croft & Robbins post here? What about Caldwell, Rodden, Honnold, Potter, Hill, etc? Unless they fly under the radar... Why would they want to, with all this fluff and bickering and people who get all bent out of shape when boobs disappear off the site? They're too busy doing things that are actually important to them, which is probably the reason they reached their elevated status in the climbing world in the first place.

I'm a nobody and don't expect to be missed, but I share Donini's sentiment. This place has become much less compelling.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
DMT, that's Hula Popper.
I prefer the Crazy Crawler & Jitterbug.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
The one thing we all have in common, above all, is that we are all indoors sitting in front of a computer. Yes there have been a few 4G linkups but for the most part its a forum for people bored in front of their computers who wish they were out climbing.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
it's called leading by example.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
pffffff give ma a ZARA SPOOK,, or a devils horse thank you..;-)
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
pffffff give ma a ZARA SPOOK,, or a devils horse thank you..;-)


takes one to know one eh Ron?
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Jim, it is a good idea. To be honest I catch myself wondering why I waste time lurking and posting on this thing. Especially while the place is swarmed with drama and threads about garbage that I can find on any other web site out there. Happy climbing to you!
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
I'll make a brief comment and then STFU. I'm enforcing my New Year's Resolution to avoid crap threads, Boobs threads, polititard threads, and essentially quit posting...

I already personally know many other S-T members and even (Gasp!) climb with them. See you at the City, Jim!

'Bye.
Wall slave

Social climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
You are of the best of the best.

I will miss you. Hope I see you the next time you get there, Sir. I will be looking for you.

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:33pm PT

Don't stay away too long, Jim. You always add some real nuggets to
the conversation.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Donini is not quitting,

He is not a quitter

He is obviously scared from using the killer sling and has been reborn.

He is just looking at things differently now.

If we knew Lollis reason for leaving maybe we could say she is leading by example.I will not bother her as to why, she is a friend but it is none of my business. She has her reasons and she is entitled.

T*R is gone and always comes squirming back and needs so much attention.
She now has it and I commend Chris as she has been high maintenance for the moderaters that dont exist.

For all you idiots wondering why you continue to come here???



Long sums it up...... Its entertaining!
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
I'm knot sitting inside.
Credit: FRUMY
I'm sitting on the bank of the big muddy here in New Orleans.
Donini is the MAN.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 23, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Now any one thread may be a tipping point but, as I noted with my 'middle school' post, the place has sunk to a new low of late and I don't blame anyone for bailing given the recent level of discourse.
Bread

Trad climber
Craggy Mountains, NC
Jan 23, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
Hey Frumy. Where is that camp spot? I'm looking for some NOLA camping options. Have reservations at Bayou Segnette SP during jazzfest.

Donini is the man.
Daphne

Trad climber
Black Rock City
Jan 23, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
The best thing that has happened to me since I became completely focused on making my life full, rich, engaging and happy is that I have pretty much lost my time for and my inclination to watch the tempest in a teapot that is supertopo.

When I was young I was addicted to All My Children, a soap opera. Much of Supertopo is like a soap opera. In the midst of the drama are some great threads that have made my life a nicer place. Why the NEED for the drama as evidenced by so much of it here?

Me getting out and making my own life happen is far more fulfilling for me. I drop in here now and then and I love it and won't ever be posting a "I'm gone" thread, but if you get bent out of shape here I recommend some introspection as to why you have so much time to surf supertopo. Go out and make life a richer more fulfilling place for yourself. Find REAL boobs, why don'tcha?

Have you heard that tv taping ad that talks about letting others go land on Mars or invent things, buy this thing that salutes how important tv watching is? It makes me sad and kind of sick. The drama here is from the same part of human nature.

Wow, big rant. Signing off now. That is all. xoxo
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 23, 2013 - 06:42pm PT

GUDbye Brokedownclimber!!!...


"I'll make a brief comment and then STFU. I'm enforcing my New Year's Resolution to avoid crap threads, Boobs threads, polititard threads, and essentially quit posting...

I already personally know many other S-T members and even (Gasp!) climb with them. See you at the City, Jim!

'Bye."
...

~~~ Brokedownclimber...




It was nice knowing you!!!...

;-)
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 23, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Blood in, blood out.

There is only one way donini can really quit,..
WTF

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
WTF

Who the f*#k is Donini?

Gene

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
If I were training for NAID at age 70, I'd step away from the keyboard as well.

g
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Good on you Donini. People who actually have lives can keep themselves entertained without the Taco . I'll miss your posts but hope you'll chime in from time to time if you see a thread worth posting to.

sempervirens

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
I find much of the non-climbing content here to be of interest. And that's partly because of the culture of climbers. I understand the language spoken here, I know much of the history of climbing (not that I was part of it), and therefore I find a lot in common with you all. Maybe the shared experience of climbing makes it worth discussing the off topics here.

Some of the debate, albeit a small fraction, is logical, rational, thought provoking. In an off-beat way, supertopo is a source of news for me.

It is too bad for all the drama.

Oftentimes you fekkers slay me with humor that most non-climbers would never get.
WBraun

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Nothing but stupid American cry babies here .......
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Yer here,....
jstan

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
Harvard Prof Says Neanderthal Clones Possible but Experts Doubt It
Visitors of the Museum for Prehistory in Eyzies-de-Tayac, France look at a Neanderthal man and child reconstruction

By SYDNEY LUPKIN
Jan. 22, 2013
A Harvard geneticist has raised eyebrows by declaring that scientists could make a Neanderthal clone baby if they had an "extremely adventurous female human" as a surrogate.

When geneticist George Church talked about cloning Neanderthals in his book and subsequent interview with Der Spiegel news weekly, it sounded like something out of Michael Crichton's "Jurassic Park" coming to life. But experts say that safety and ethical hang-ups mean the first Neanderthal birth in 30,000 years is probably fiction, too.

"I understand what George is saying. It's interesting. But I don't think it will ever happen," said Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at the NYU Center for Bioethics. "It lurches too close to exploitation. It rubs up too closely as starting to turn into bringing somebody into existence just as an object of other people's interest."

Fragments of Neanderthal DNA have been found in fossils throughout in Europe, and Church said they could be put together to create an embryo for implanting into a human surrogate.

Ideally, he said, people would be able to learn from Neanderthals, which are humans' closest extinct predecessors, because their enlarged craniums hint at different thought processes from humans. He said Neanderthals' presence could also create more genetic diversity, but Caplan said it's unclear whether it would be possible for humans to breed with Neanderthals.

Also, Caplan said, creating a human-like being in a lab for study could be exploitative.

The theoretical Neanderthal family (because Church told Der Spiegel he doesn't think a lone Neanderthal would have a good sense of identity without a cohort) would live under extreme scrutiny even if they didn't have to live within the confines of a lab, Caplan said. He compared the re-creation of Neanderthals to Frankenstein, noting that the fictional Victor Frankenstein created his monster to prove that he could do it. But the monster struggled with his own identity and dignity much like a modern-day Neanderthal family would.

Caplan said there's also insufficient knowledge about whether Neanderthals would be too aggressive to flourish in society or whether they would die of an extreme unforeseen allergy. He compared the latter to the way Europeans accidentally killed the Native Americans by giving them small pox.

And, of course, the United Nations banned human cloning in 2005, although the guidance wasn't as binding as a treaty, Caplan said. Some states have banned the practice as well, but a few, including California, allow it for research purposes.

"The reasoning behind that is because human cloning, to many, seems to violate the way in which people are created," Caplan said. "It makes people nervous to make someone from an existing person. There's a repugnance factor about that."

Whether a Neanderthal counts as "human" is also debatable if states or local laws specify a ban on "human cloning."

Ethics aside, cloning a Neanderthal would be a safety issue, said Ron Crystal, a geneticist at Weill Cornell Medical College in New York City.

"Technically, putting together fragments of DNA is feasible," Crystal said. "Are we putting it together correctly? We know that one letter in the wrong place can be fatal."

One-letter deformities, called monogenic disorders, include cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, Fragile X syndrome, Huntington's disease, and thousands of other life-threatening problems, Crystal said.

Single-gene mistakes are possible when scientists are cloning an organism for which they have a model of completed DNA, Crystal said. But a Neanderthal clone would involve much more guesswork because scientists don't have any reference to tell them that they're about to make a fatal mistake.

"It's a problem for whether you're trying to put together a dinosaur or trying to put together a Neanderthal," Crystal said. "There's nothing to compare to. There's no gold standard."

Caplan added that it's possible many Neanderthal stillborns and Neanderthals born with extreme disabilities would precede a healthy Neanderthal baby.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
Someone quit an internet forum?

Oh, the humanity!!
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
Locker-

I said I would essentially QUIT POSTING, but I can still lurk!

See ya at COR or Voo!

Rodger
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
I plan on hanging out at the City with Donini & Rodger, too.
Sometimes coordinating through the Taco has been useful. But it's not necessary. Another in a growing quiver of options.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Apparently some people believe that every passing moment should be dedicated to spiritual, physical and moral betterment, that there is no time to "waste" on frivolities and foolishness - like gazing at fun bags. It reminds of the preposterous term, "gratuitous nudity." If you need to be told why this is the motto of a sad sac and a frumpy, constipated killjoy, there is little hope for you IMO

JL

Help!
Help!
Credit: Largo
. . .


Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
I see myself hanging out with Doheny at Donini State beach or Donini at Doheny ...or Donini at Dohini...now I'm confused...

http://www.dohenystatebeach.org/

Isn't Donini, I mean Doheny, mentioned in a Beach Boy's song?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Brokedown, why are you quitting posting? Gezzzz, we are a community....crazy and comprised of real, true individual's but we are campfire. Right?

This begins to take on the aspect of a losing high school football team. Now, we find out who is for real in those stands.

Largo, another good post and pic. :D

lynne
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
Donini is not quitting.
He's just going under cover with his Special Forces Group.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
donini
Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Aug 3, 2009 - 10:08am PT

Does the term "deadhead" have anything to do with the lack of brain function?


donini
Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Aug 3, 2009 - 10:17am PT

I thought that "good head" referred to something else.


Man, what a drag I was just getting Jim back into music scene.

Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
Donini is not quitting

It's spelled " Doheny"... Okay
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
I thought it was Donini-mee, DT.

photo not found
Missing photo ID#263979
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
^DT - I think you're getting confused with the little old lady from

Pasadonini.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
Doe -oooooooooo-HE- kneeeeeeeeeeeeeee

^DT - I think you're getting confused with the little old lady from

Nope,that was Jan and Doheny...I mean Jan and Deanohini...I mean Jan and Deany...

Get outta here...
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
All those photos on the boob thread said "click to enlarge" I thought it meant the boobs, but after clicking I realized what it meant.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Oh dawg Cozmicster you have outdone yourself.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Lynnie-

I've just decided to "lay low" for a while, and lurk. There's been just too much self-righteous spewing that attacks others personally for my tastes. And rather than attack friends and alienate people, I choose silence as an option. I still love the website and have too many friends here to abandon ship permenantly. See ya in Yos!
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
This forum is a very special place and perhaps the most interesting protracted conversation in which I have had the honor to participate.

The main shared experience base is testing ourselves in the rock solid environment of challenging mountains, which submit to no BS.

However in some important ways it does not feel safe here. I often have to withhold things where I would really like to share and invite comment. When I can anticipate negative bullying that will drive out intelligent commentary, than I just bite my tongue.

I would just like to note again that those who persist here tend to be those who can rise above chronic disrespect, BS, bickering, and bullying.

That fact does not speak well for a number of contributors, both crude bigots and overly intelligent opinionated bullies.

I also think that we have a few people here who are not really much or anything in the way of being climbers, but more like agents controlling the conversation within authority-sanctioned versions of reality.

This is a climbers campfire discussion that should be safe for people to express all sorts of wild stories and speculations without overstimulating disrespectful bullies. At a real campfire we have the spacial dynamic aspect of being able to just walk away from disagreements, crude comments and bullying.

I suggest again that if the level of mutual respect rises and the level of bullying fades, we will entice in or back many of the people who are our climbing heroes and who we would love to hear contributing.

It is wonderful to participate with people like Donini, Largo, Jogill, Jstan, OldGuy, and such. But there are other very thoughtful people such as Royal, Layton, Jello, Croft, etc, who rarely venture into the conversation.

It is also disturbing to me that there are very interesting people here, who I don't have a clue of their real names. Make this place safe for open discussion and they won't have to hide behind weird avatars.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
Dirty bunch of greezers Jesus!
What a sorry little lot!
I used to dream
That I would meet a prince
But God Almighty,
Have you seen what's happened since?
`Master of the house?'
Isn't worth me spit!
`Comforter, philosopher'
 and lifelong shit!
Cunning little brain
Regular Voltaire
Thinks he's quite a lover
But there's not much there
What a cruel trick of nature
Landed me with such a louse
God knows how I've lasted
Living with this bastard in the house
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
"You know our love will not fade away . . . no not fade away!"
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:57pm PT


"Locker-

I said I would essentially QUIT POSTING, but I can still lurk!

See ya at COR or Voo!

Rodger"
...


I would fuking HOPE so dude!!!...

We NEED to make good where we screwed up last year in not getting together enough...

So hell fuking YEAH!!!...

;-)



Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:04am PT
"Please forget you knew my name . . . my darling Sugaree . . . "
MisterE

Social climber
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Donini will quit when you pry the blue Camalot from his cold, dead hands.
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:16am PT
The Donini NIAD@70 project is one of the most awesome things I've read about here in a while. I hope you'll stop by once in a while to keep us posted on your preparations, Sarge!
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:29am PT
The Donini will crush the NIAD in his own way.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:30am PT
The Donini NIAD@70 project is one of the most awesome things I've read about here in a while.

Agreed. All the best, and good luck.
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