cmac deleted the boobs thread? i thought t*r scuttled it by dumping a zillion pics of a nuclear explosion on it, making the load-in very time consuming. then, as punishment, so the gossip here goes, cmac disabled her account. correct me if i'm wrong.
i will admit that i'm only theorizing that lolli left because of all this.
"i will admit that i'm only theorizing that lolli left because of all this."
You'd be playing the percentages.
We had a problem like this at one of the bars I worked.
Women wouldn't walk in, (or wouldn't stay very long or wouldn't come back again if they did walk in) as long as the joint was dominated by loud, rude, dirt-workers who showed up early and stayed all night ( couldn't go home because that's where their wives were ). Too rude or too stupid to keep their hurtful language to themselves.
We fixed that by getting rid of the things they liked, like Budweiser Draft ( replaced with Guiness ), the pool table ( replaced with a piano and dance floor ) and the Lottery ( replaced by nothing ).
The positive results were immediate. The loud dirt-workers found another sausage-bar and couples and groups of women and educated guys started coming in. It became a cool place to hang and a fun place to work.
I don't know how you would work that here, though.
Norton.. I appreciate that some people didn't like the thread. Male or female. As I told Sullly, I didn't know what to tell her about the thread. I can see why she doesn't like it and I can see why some people are not offended. What I was referring to was Tony's assumption that since Anastasia didn't delete the thread this must mean she had ego involved or was immature. I find that characterization kind of shallow and narrow minded.
I liked the thread, but knew that it would become gross eventually, which is why I deleted the pictures that I posted.
I wish that there was a mature way to enjoy the beauty of the female body without all of the inherent background garbage that goes along with it, but there doesn't seem to be. At least not on an open forum.
I saw the first 40 or so posts on the boob thread & thought it was a refreshing break from the gun threads. For sure there are some here that will take it to taste bordering level, as almost any thread. If you don't like the thread, or any thread, then don't read it. I don't read the political threads but I don't mind if others do. Should I bomb the dog or gun threads ?? If you think there's child porn on it call the cops or whatever you need to do. Glad she's gone, doesn't climb...bye bye.
The folks who think there were photos of underage women on that thread must be in their late 30's at least. Anyone visit a college campus lately? The freshmen look like infants, like children. Moreover, Law Enforcement goes after child pornography with a righteous vengence. All the photos on the Boobs thread were conjured through a simple Google image search for "boobs", "tits", or "breasts."
The most surprising thing about this whole debacle is the extraordinary level of wildly uninformed commentary. I spent five years at The Evergreen State College, the birthplace of radical post-feminism, the Riotgrrl movement, Queercore music, etc. Many of the most established thinkers in family studies and woman's studies teach there -- Stephanie Coontz, Susan Strassman, and so on. My ex-wife, who many of you know, met me just a few weeks after moving out of one of Olympia's most fundamentalist lesbian households. So I know a bit about some of this stuff. And when I read the commentary here, I cringe. It has all the insight and subtlety and understanding and nuance of a cafeteria food fight.
The strident pronouncements on the boobs thread about it being "porn"; how it served this purpose, or that -- or not; how Cmac was potentially criminally liable, on and on and on. Please. I guess there are a lot of people here with very little drama in their lives for whom this provides something to get worked up over. When I wake up in the morning, I wonder what I can do that day to make my 20-year-old autistic son's life better, or how I'm gonna pay for my daughter's braces. The boobs thread was a lightweight and comical diversion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a cultural ostrich who needs to go read the current issue of Cosmo for some grounding in current American cultural norms. There will always be the t*r's of the world -- and apparently her apologists as well -- people who will take offense from out of left field at God knows what. From what I can tell this is just the latest in a long and storied history of meltdowns worthy of any teenager. I was shocked to learn she's apparently in her 30's?!
In any event, at least try to inform yourselves before you squander any more of you time on this. Folks are couching their remarks within the context of broad cultural assumptions that do not bear up to even the most casual scrutiny.
There's a general dynamic at play here - female, non serious or non climbers offended that male and mostly dedicated climbers are having fun trading photos of titties.
...except that the majority of posting Supertopians who were against the thread were men.
climbing used to be a solid boys club, and women knew their place in it.
You mean like Bonnie Prudden and Jan Conn knew their place?
It's almost like lots of climbing women are threatened by physically beautiful women, especially those with extra weight in their upper body who don't climb.
Again, even though more men posted against that thread, you are focused on "fat women." Not the brightest star in the galaxy you, I have to think....
Donini, please don't sign off. (please, please, please and I rarely say please.) I love your wit and comments on ST. Plus I learn much about the outdoor world and climbing from them.
Finally, this particular Thread Title.....a serious matter.....maybe that's the matter.
Not so serious if people had real lives to live and contend with. Just sayin'.
Also, that pictures showing unclothed breasts are offensive to women is just one opinion, and I'm sure that they are offensive to some women (and some men), plenty of women (and men) do not share that opinion.
In fact many feminists believe that it is discriminatory for the unclothed female nipple to be labeled obscene while men (who also have nipples) are allowed to be topless in public. What's odd here is that it is OK for a women's breast to be exposed so long as the nipple is covered, but the nipples of men and women (pre-pregnancy) are almost identical!
I'm not sorry that Chris Mac deleted the thread. It had outlived its usefulness, but I'm not sorry he allowed it to be up either.
I see it as a sign of progress that the thread offended relatively few people and was allowed to be up for as long as it was.
Also, bravo to t*r for taking a stand for what she believed in. Lot's of people have nuked threads they didn't agree with in the past and were not banned. I don't know why t*r was.
Edit: This is a day for the record books. I'm in agreement with Klimmer on something!
Let us know!