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survival

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Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 22, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
The United States of America is damn incredible. Every size, shape and idea you can think of.

We ALL have our good points.


We've got a lot of work to do, to live up to our own expectations, and those of the world.

Surely we can find a few things to agree on?



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C'mon folks, show me the diversity of my country.
ruppell

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
I think this forum shows it pretty well. lol Bet we all can agree on that.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
Hear, hear!

John
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
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ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
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moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Ive enjoyed the diversity all of my life.. Love all who come here to be Americans, as i love America.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
From reading around here you'd think we were all flaming homosexual pinko socialists or racist one toothed hillbillies.

But it's not like that at all!!


The internet has turned us into screaming as#@&%es.....



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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
My only issue with this thread is that you chose marines instead of soldiers for the opening shot.

;-)


Otherwise, well done!

moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
My only issue with this thread is that you chose marines instead of soldiers for the opening shot.

Did you say soldiers?

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ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
L to R - Aunt, wife, cousin's wife, Uncle
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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
Was out with my Bosnian friend Sat. He's lived in France and England but from the lips of a man who just voted in his first Presidential election :

"America's the best!"
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Wow, there's some diversity ydpl8s!!







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ruppell

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:11pm PT


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
Recent Satellite picture of a LM on the surface of the moon,, Apollo 1...
Recent Satellite picture of a LM on the surface of the moon,, Apollo 12 i believe.
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ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Yeah Survival, 2 phd Biologists, a pharmacist and an author/psychotherapist :-)
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
2 phd Biologists, a pharmacist and an author/psychotherapist :-)


Oh yeah? Well we've got a ditch digger, a busboy and a pool specialist, so STFU!!! HA!




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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
survival

Thanks.

FYI the country was FOUNDED by screaming as#@&%es and has made it a tradition, since. You know this....

:-)

I travels a bit. I'm pretty happy with where I live now; California. Its ethnically diverse and my children have grown up in a world that is far more - accepting, than the one I enjoyed as a child.

I appreciate your celebration, Survival.

Rock on

DMT
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
WOOO HOOO!!!

God bless the good ol' down home straight laced windy road carnival funhouse multi-colored melting pot acid trip train wreck monster truck mosh pit polka dance that is MY COUNTRY!!!



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Gene

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
God bless the good ol' down home straight laced windy road carnival funhouse multi-colored melting pot acid trip train wreck monster truck mosh pit polka dance that is MY COUNTRY!!!

+1


An observation: We have two Chinese students staying with us this semester while going to a local high school. Due to the one child policy back home, they have 4 grandparents, 2 parents and 0 siblings, aunts, uncles or cousins. I can't imagine what that must be like.

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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Gene, it could be awesome at Christmas, no?
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Good thing I was Army :)
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 06:00pm PT



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Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
Thanks Survival!



Manolo e Francisca e Fritz e Heidi.  City of Rocks 2011.
Manolo e Francisca e Fritz e Heidi. City of Rocks 2011.
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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
Thanks survival, you are an idealist......something we now find in short supply.

The vehemence of right wing radio hosts and the tea party fanatics is encouraging.....it signifys the rage and pain of the growing realization they have that they are on the wrong side of history.
ruppell

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
FYI the country was FOUNDED by screaming as#@&%es and has made it a tradition, since. You know this....

Traitors to the core. It's actually a prime example of what happens when you win a war. Be it over tea or access to mineral rights or taxation or the other hundreds of things wars are waged over. The one resounded effect is if you win you are right. The little people(in this case Britain) walk away with there tail between their legs asking themselves one resounding question "What the hell?" We are(where in this case) the imperial power. How on earth did we just get the boot? We(americans((stupid americans as werner would say)) learned that same thing in many "wars" we fought. Korea, Vietnam, Irag. The results have varied but the one underlying truth is still there. Little people will rise up and fight like the devil to keep invading nations from gaining a say. So maybe the idea of "America" isn't such a new thing after all. Maybe, just maybe, it's an old idea with a new name.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
The one resounded effect is if you win you are right.
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Students and I
Students and I
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Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
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Tried to find this pic without the banners but couldn't. It's a very interesting picture nonetheless, and these guys are certainly a part of the color of our country.

Unfortunately the soldier on the stretcher died.

Edited to add: I found the image without the banners but as the image has circulated so widely with the banners I thought I'd post it both ways.

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:47am PT
gettin warm enough to melt those cheap ass goggles..
gettin warm enough to melt those cheap ass goggles..
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ruppell

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:57am PT
Donald

You can be diverse and economically successful. The two are not mutually exclusive. Ask anyone from Brazil.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:00am PT
My Country is Paisley. Dig it.
I do.
ruppell

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:25am PT
I specifically chose Brazil because it is not the best example. I figured you would pick up on that. I also figured you would attack with some incredible zeal. I'd say comparing the US in 4 years to the current current state of Brazil is more than I could have hoped for. Now that your arrogance is out of the way do you have anything else to say?
Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:26am PT
It may be the color of your country, but it sure aint the color of this sport. Give your head a shake , look at the photos on this site. I don't see a lot of people of colour in the photos, or economically underpriveladed first generation immigrants.

If you want to wave your flag and brag about your ethnic diversity, start right here in your own back yard, recognize what a middle class white bread privilaged sport this is, and get involved in making it more accessabile.

When your living hand to mouth and worried about putting food on your table, you sure don't waste money on an $80.00 climbing cam!

Wave your flag some where else!

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2013 - 02:24am PT
Wave your flag some where else!

Well rolfr from BC, I've climbed with a black American, an Asian American, an Italian American, American Indians, women, gays, shitloads of people that couldn't afford helmet cams and more, so I'll wave my flag right here thank you.

But the point wasn't about how diverse climbing is or how wrong donald is, but about how wide and wonderful the country is. But I guess you did miss the point.

Notice I included cops and firemen and farmers and military people so you wouldn't think it was a "only" thread?

I didn't mention any political stuff at all in fact.


So take your sour puss somewhere else.



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Some middle class white bread climber who never tried to make the world a better place......
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roadman

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:18am PT
If you want to love the United States more and feel the true greatness of our country....Move to another country. You'll see how amazing our country is in every way. Of the people by the people for the people.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2013 - 04:19am PT
But as long as the low-information voter has his/her cell phone , social media, celebrity stars, and self-congratulatory assurances that they live in a multi-cultural multi- racial 60s utopia- then all the problems have been solved.


Thereby assuring us that you, the mighty donald, are the only high information voter of true greatness.
Thank you.



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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:19am PT
low-information voter

Precisely what most red state republican voters are and they have been repeatedly manipulated and incited to a shrill indignation by several decades of highly successful Rovian (Pavlovian) social manipulation. You stand as a testimony to its effectiveness. The indignification of the right has been a masterstroke of political low thinking. It has been targeted not at a diverse America, but to white America. After the 2012 elections it is now a permanently bankrupt political strategy in an increasingly diverse America where the young are blind to race and sexual orientation. Good riddance.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 23, 2013 - 05:01am PT
Why? Because the social/ cultural objectives of the baby boomer socialists has been realized.

Not at all, but rather because forty years of an explicitly-stated republican political strategy built on racism, homophobia, sexism, and xenophobia has now been soundly repudiated. There's absolutely nothing baby boomer or socialist about it, but rather just a party whose only truly effective campaign currency has been hate.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 23, 2013 - 05:51am PT
Survival posted this thread to show the diversity of the USA. Other democratic countries also have diversity.

But some knee-jerks on this thread want to use it to rail against... whatever their rant is. You know who you are.

Saying that this country will be in the doldrums in the next four years is a bit outrageous.

Yes, I live abroad. But I have always been proud to be an American. And I have a rich heritage of being an American. (With all due respect to other people of the Americas.)

Thanks Survival, great thread.

To the naysayers, why don't you go elsewhere if you want to be so negative..
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 23, 2013 - 05:55am PT
DT: Apparently Mr. Healy has this hippie obsession with Karl Rove, having attempted to associate me with him in another thread. I know very little about Rove , and what I do know I don't like, considering him the type of political consulting class establishment Republican that led to a weak campaigning strategy by Romney.

Another little example of the current radicalized left's obsession with demonizing and marginalizing political opponents instead of getting on with the business of solving the nation's real problems.
Their model is the current President who is solely preoccupied with one thing only: destroying all political opposition.

Of course you don't know much about Rove, that's exactly Rove's genius and so a little education is in order given Karl is THE man behind W's and the republican victories until 2012.

Rove, along with Lee Atwater, and Ralph Reed carried on and embellished Harry S. Dent Sr.'s whole gutter approach to politics designed to produce the deliberate polarization of America we see today and a republican party which has moved so far to the fundamentalist fringe right that it is now in a veritable civil war within its own ranks. That polarization was built on a forty year strategy of 'indignifying' the right via racism, homophobia, sexism and xenophobia. It's been one of the most successful, and lowest, political strategies in modern political history. It was so successful and so low Lee Atwater apologized for it on his deathbed.

Look, any time you hear a phrase like 'radicalized left' these days you can be assured you're hearing it from a member of the radicalized right and brought to you courtesy of Dent, Atwater, Reed, and Rove. But Rove took the tactics to new lows of success and guys like you who swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker are the sad result. It's all humorously a bit like Frankenstein saying, "I don't know much about the Doctor and what I do know, I don't like".
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:30am PT
Don't feed it.

He's proving himself an as#@&%e without anyone else saying a word.

He can't win.

The theme that survival has presented here is truth.

Truth is beautiful.

And it will win.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:26am PT



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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2013 - 11:51am PT
This thread wasn't posted as an Us And Them thread at all, but more as an Us Is Us, We Are We, We're all in this together thread.

We've always been divided over certain issues, but came together when the chips were down.

I have many incredible friends that I disagree with strongly about a number of issues. But still I would fight for them and their right to believe the way they believe. They would do the same for me.

We've made it this far. I have kids who I want to have a great life in a great country.

I was raised in Indian and Eskimo villages, by parents who didn't have a racist bone in their bodies. That's saying something for the times they were raised in. If I would've walked around with a "White Is Right" attitude, I would've had my ass kicked many times over.

Donald, if you can't see your way forward to a white/brown/yellow/black/straight/gay/male/female world, then you are truly lost.

*Our president and one Supreme Court member are black.
*Our secretary of state and three members of the Supreme Court are female.
*One Supreme Court justice is Hispanic.
*One is Sicilian.
*Two are of Jewish descent.
*All of them are the descendants of immigrants.

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can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:52am PT
When imbibing always try to keep your drinking associates as varied as possible. It keeps the organic party element snappin.
L-R, Deadeye, a good ole boy from NC, myself, Staggerin Lee Otis, one ...
L-R, Deadeye, a good ole boy from NC, myself, Staggerin Lee Otis, one of the nicest mo-fo's I've ever met, Chicago's S. Side and his friend who's name I forgot.
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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
My father is missing four top front teeth. He wears a set of false teeth, but takes it out at night.

Without his front teeth, he looks like one mean sonofabitch.

He is a tough sonofabitch -- a marine corps veteran, and worked hard blue-collar labor all his life.

But there's nothing mean about him.

I know very little about how he lost his teeth. When I was young, he told me:

"I got on bus, everyone else on the bus was black, I should have kept my mouth shut."

I never asked again, and he never spoke of it again.

He has never shown any malice towards other races. Although he did enjoy an occasional off-color joke.

My children, my father's grandchildren, seem to know nothing of race. I have never heard them speak of race. They have friends of all colors. Of course they see the difference. And yet they don't know to put them into categories.

I am very optimistic.





survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Me too Dave.



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My mom with her Codetalker friend.
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moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
My children, my father's grandchildren, seem to know nothing of race. I have never heard them speak of race. They have friends of all colors. Of course they see the difference. And yet they don't know to put them into categories.

I am very optimistic.

Same with my children, they don't discriminate. They are the future.


My daughter with her friends:

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
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ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
My son in Aida at The Denver School of the Arts, 2008

He's now an actor/writer/singer/rapper/cook/mover in New York (Brooklyn), livin the life.

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
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abrams

Sport climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
change perspective change the world
change perspective change the world
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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:55am PT
Graduation day. West Point. 2011.





survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2013 - 06:07am PT
Straight up awesome Chaz!





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Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Jan 25, 2013 - 06:44am PT
One Sicilian
My father, born in  Sicily.
My father, born in Sicily.
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My mom
My mom
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creating an American family.
My Dad's retirement party (1989)
My Dad's retirement party (1989)
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QITNL

climber
Jan 25, 2013 - 06:48am PT
Cool.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:19am PT


Photographer Larry Burrows - Time & Life Pictures/Getty Images

http://life.time.com/history/life-behind-the-picture-larry-burrows-reaching-out-1966/?iid=lf%7Cmostpop#1
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Jan 25, 2013 - 10:42am PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:18am PT
This thread wasn't posted as an Us And Them thread at all, but more as an Us Is Us, We Are We, We're all in this together thread.

I appreciate your sentiments and attempts. But the sad reality is that America's heydays are over.

50% of the Americans don't like having a black President
50% of Americans believe a woman's place is in the kitchen
50% of Americans don't want no damn immigrants in this country
50% of Americans want to impose a Christian version of Sharia
50% of Americans try to block any social justice or progress

My grandparents were illiterate immigrants and served in the US Army. My parents went to college. My father is a Korean War veteran. I am a veteran of the Gulf War. My brother is a lawyer and I am a doctor.

Grandpa in the US Army in World War I
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We had one of the first Naval Aviation classes with women
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Sierra Ledge Rat on his combat jet on the deck of the aircraft carrier...
Sierra Ledge Rat on his combat jet on the deck of the aircraft carrier U.S.S. John F. Kennedy.
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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:30am PT
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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:31am PT
I appreciate your sentiments and attempts. But the sad reality is that America's heydays are over.

50% of the Americans don't like having a black President
50% of Americans believe a woman's place is in the kitchen
50% of Americans don't want no damn immigrants in this country
50% of Americans want to impose a Christian version of Sharia
50% of Americans try to block any social justice or progress

I don't follow that logic at all.

You need to define "heyday"

It's common to think of America's "heyday" as the 1950/60s, when our economic power seemed to be unchallenged.

But back then, the percentages you cite above were much higher.

I don't think "heyday" should be measured by economic power or cultural influence. So the US dominated the auto industry in the 1950s, and won the space race in the 1960s - good times, for some, but IMO not the important measures of success.

I claim your numbers above are off -- all the above are much lower than 50% today.

And the trend is positive.

Our heyday is NOW -- it's what we make of every day that matters.

And there are many more to come...


Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 25, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
The BGI Cognitive Genomics Project is currently doing whole-genome sequencing of 1,000 very-high-IQ people around the world, hunting for sets of sets of IQ-predicting alleles. I know because I recently contributed my DNA to the project, not fully understanding the implications. These IQ gene-sets will be found eventually—but will probably be used mostly in China, for China. Potentially, the results would allow all Chinese couples to maximize the intelligence of their offspring by selecting among their own fertilized eggs for the one or two that include the highest likelihood of the highest intelligence. Given the Mendelian genetic lottery, the kids produced by any one couple typically differ by 5 to 15 IQ points. So this method of "preimplantation embryo selection" might allow IQ within every Chinese family to increase by 5 to 15 IQ points per generation. After a couple of generations, it would be game over for Western global competitiveness.

Geoffrey Miller
Chinese Eugenics
http://www.edge.org/responses/q2013
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
A couple more from West Point graduation day, 2011:





The lady is the sister of the grad wearing a white shirt in the last shot I posted, and her brother is the middle guy in the shot before thst. ( great smiles run in the family ). The guy in these two shots is my cousin, Brad.

( I didn't take these photos, but I'm in both of them. Look for the bald headed white guy wearing a tan golf shirt )

this just in

climber
north fork
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:09am PT
I still see Paisley...It's a vast mishmash.
We just forget to live Paisley, sometimes.
Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:29am PT
Hey Survival.

“I didn't mention any political stuff at all in fact.
So take your sour puss somewhere else.”

I thought this was a climbing forum , when you open a patriotic political thread, expect some opposing viewpoints. I live 6 months a year in Canada and 6 in the US, my sour puss will comment equally on both countries.

Excuse me if I find your thread patronizing , but I guess you just want ethnic confirmation not opposition .
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:41am PT
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John M

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:50am PT
Excuse me if I find your thread patronizing ,

Now what burr got under your saddle blanket? what in blue blazes is wrong with people right now. Bruce is one of the good guys.



I love this video... I found it because Hankster posted the Lush at the beach version.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:55am PT
This is a thread about our magnificent and diverse country.. Screw the rest of the dribble..Ive had kin die in every skirmish from the revolutionary war to desert storm. Weve a right to be proud.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:58am PT
I'm getting a sense of "diversity envy" from Rolfr.

We ( The United States Of America ) did the racial outreach. Now, we are enjoying the benefits of a fully diverse society.

Canada needs to step up to the plate, and do the same outreach to minorities that Americans have, if they want to have a truly diverse society, like ours.

If Canadians don't want a diverse society, then I guess it's up to them. Maybe they like it that everybody they see every day is white, like they are. Apparently they do, because they haven't done the required outreach to minorities neeed to change their national demographic, like we have here in The United States.



Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:59am PT
Walk, stumble, fall.
Get up.
Walk.
Repeat.
What color is that? It's a wondrous Paisley. Wondrous!
Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:09am PT
This is a thread about our magnificent and diverse country.. Screw the rest of the dribble..Ive had kin die in every skirmish from the revolutionary war to desert storm. Weve a right to be proud.


Well i’ve had kin die in concentration camps by flag waving nationalists , so i’ll keep spewing my dribble , Bubba. Thanks for making my point on tolerance for opposing viewpoints.

Chaz , I don’t have diversity envy, I am part of the Canadian diversity!



And thank you Captain, I'm Paisley too.
John M

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:27am PT
tolerance for opposing viewpoints????? you were the one all bummed out and spreading the negativity. I'm just confused about why people have to take a thread started by someone good like Bruce and turn it into some political statement when it wasn't meant as such. Thats all. If you have to have a negative view, then go for it. But it would be nice if once in awhile we could just chill. I think thats all Bruce was shooting for. He isn't stupid. He knows that the world is full of nasty sh#t. And he definitely isn't for blind obedience to some nationalistic call. So maybe try chilling a little and watch the video I posted. The songs saweeet, even if some of the pictures are a bit cheesy.

But whatever dude. I hope things are going okay for you.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2013 - 04:05am PT
but I guess you just want ethnic confirmation not opposition .


Whatever man. Actually, you told me to take my flag waving elsewhere first, on my thread. I merely returned the favor.

I don't remember requiring you to participate in the first place.

Besides, I stated in the OP that we had a lot to do to live up to the expectations of ourselves and the world. I've posted bikers, punks, homeless people, dirt poor American Indians and more. Does that really qualify as mindless flag waving nationalism? Me thinks not.

We've all had ancestors die at the hands of as#@&%es. I had relatives escape from Germany, and relatives that died in the Civil War, even one who died on Bataan Death March. Does that make me more American than you are? Me thinks not.



survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
A tip of the hat to Dave Kos, thanks man.



For you, an American "sandwich", if you will....

Credit: survival
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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
i thought it was rupell who was the problem child here.?


Credit: Ron Anderson
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
For you, an American "sandwich", if you will....

Thanks, man.

I'm trying to think of a witty comeback ... but I can't stop laughing and I'm not sure why!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 5, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
More form graduation day, West Point, 2011.





"Mom. Why are you crying?"

"Because now your DE-PLOY-A-BLE"

"That's the whole idea, Mom"
ThomasKeefer

Trad climber
San Diego
Feb 5, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
CHAZ
Nice shots... USMA is not a bad second choice for those who could not get into USNA ;)
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 12:58am PT
Nice shots... USMA is not a bad second choice for those who could not get into USNA ;)

OUCH!
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