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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 18, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
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They feared for their lives.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
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Jan 18, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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YES!
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OR
Trad climber
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Jan 18, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
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Scumbags
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jan 18, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
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I'm glad them arrested. This elk was a regular and peaceful visitor. I hate seeing people behave unethically, and I REALLY HATE seeing LEOs behaving unethically. They are scum.
edit: Read the documents Ron. Pure on poach.They talked about it for days. One of the LEOs is a taxidermist who wanted it for that reason (and the meat). They erased their texts to one another discussing how they are going to kill it for some time before they did. Then they lied about it. Unbelievable they thought they'd get away with it as it happened in a neighborhood in someone's front yard. That home owner took photos and video.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
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Good chance they will no longer be LEO either. They are a disgrace to any group they are/were affiliated with.
The pdf on the article linked above has lots of detail. Worth the read if you haven't read it yet.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
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Sorry - the link above is from HuffPo. This is from the Boulder paper:
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_22405673/officers-text-hours-before-shooting-elk-hes-gonna
(check out the attached Pdf too)
On Wednesday, Boulder District Attorney Stan Garnett said prosecutors were waiting to decide on charges in the Mapleton elk shooting until they received the texts between Boulder police officers Sam Carter and Brent Curnow. As it turns out, they were worth waiting for.
According to investigators, the texts between Carter, Curnow and a Boulder County sheriff Deputy Jeff George showed that the shooting and disposing of the elk Jan. 1 was a premeditated hunt for a trophy kill.
The arrest affidavits for Carter and Curnow -- who were booked Friday on suspicion of nine different charges -- stated while analyzing the cell phone interaction between the two, investigators, "discovered several messages indicating that the killing of the elk was planned and personal gain of meat and trophy."
Carter told police he encountered the buck while on patrol that night, but at 2:56 a.m. -- almost 20 hours before the shooting -- Carter texted "Found wapiti (elk) you up," followed by a text of "Should I go hunting," at 4:14 a.m.
At 5:56 a.m. Carter texts George with the location of the elk, followed by George texting, "Did you shoot him?" to which Carter replies, "Nope."
At 2:45 p.m., Curnow texted, "You should have killed it," to Carter, who responded, "Oh he's dead tonight. His right side is broke off at main beam. And he looks a little smaller. He may not be wapiti, but he's gonna die."
By 10:43, Carter texts George that he had found the elk near Ninth Street and Mapleton Avenue and asks him to head to the scene.
Carter then tells Curnow at 11:44 that he found the elk. Curnow texts Carter back telling him to, "Get him," but Carter says "Too many people right now."
But at 11:55 p.m., just after Curnow asks Carter, "When you think you can wack it," Carter texts back, "Elk down."
In addition to the shooting, Carter and Curnow also discussed what to do with the meat. Just before the shooting at 11:54 p.m., Curnow asks Carter, "You gonna be able to help butcher it? Or are you gonna go home sick?" Carter responds, "I can butcher."
Boulder police said Curnow was supposed to be on duty that night but had called in sick. According to the arrest affidavit, Carter called in sick immediately after clearing the scene after the shooting.
All of the texts and calls from that night had been deleted on Carter and Curnow's phones when they were seized for evidence, but investigators were able to obtain them from their respective cell phone carriers.
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grover
climber
Northern Mexico
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Jan 18, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
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The officers each face felony and misdemeanor charges that could lead up to eight years in prison. The charges include unlawful taking of an elk, a Samson surcharge, taking an elk out of season, official misconduct, forgery, two counts of tampering with evidence and attempting to influence a public servant. The last three counts are felonies.
probably get 6 months between the two of them.
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mittins
climber
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Jan 18, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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F*#k boulder, f*#k your elk, and Double f*#k the police.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 18, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
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Cut the rope off their soap and send them to the big house.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
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These guys were bow hunters?
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
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The cops did the crime and now need to do the time. The candle light vigil for the elk was freaking hilarious and classic Boulder. Singing Amazing Grace out of tune for the elk had me on the floor laughing.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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Fuzz gets the axe.
 Anyone who thinks that "cops" are anything but human beings needs to be more thoroughly educated.
They, the cops, are just as capable of doing dumb things as any redneck/hill-billie/dumbass/dipshit as the rest of us.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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This is a problem of a locality with TOO MANY COPS.
Around here, the cops are BUSY. They have their hands full with actual CRIME, such as assaults, robberies, rapes, gangs, etc. They don't have TIME to hunt, fish, or even take a leak. They have more work than they can handle.
The police department in Boulder is obviously over-staffed. By far.
I've seen this problem where my folks live, on Whidbey Island in WA. There, they have at least SIX different law enforcement agencies patrolling the Island - the County Sheriff to the County Marshall to the N.C.I.S. to the State Troopers to the Park Police to the Oak Harbor Police to the Coupevile Cops. The cops there have NOTHING TO DO at all. Nothing. Crime doesn't exist there, so they all just sit in the shadows and man the Radar Traps. This causes the locals to be terrified of being stopped for speeding, so everybody there drives ten miles under the too-low-already speed limit, and really destroys the quality of life for anybody who likes to drive on that island.
Cops in Boulder having enough free time at work to do some hunting tells any intelligent person that Boulder has about two or three times as many cops as they actually need.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:48am PT
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I used to work for a trucking outfit that would fire you if you f*#ked with a moose. Some of those good ol' boys still think that horn does something. A moose ain't gonna take no guff. He'll f*#k you up.
Peterbilt or not.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:53am PT
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I used to see moose walking on the driveway of the bar I worked at in Alaska. The tourist types would mob the windows, all trying to get pictures.
I'd yawn, and say, "Is that son of a bitch back again? He's just going to sh#t on the driveway. You watch". And sure enough, he'd sh#t on the driveway.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:30am PT
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You've got a lot of "pretty sure" memories. So what? Because of these other wrongs nothing should happen to these cops who obviously broke the law? Ya?
I can see the hypocrisy but you're not exactly providing any substance for your pretty sure memories.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 19, 2013 - 07:22am PT
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The thing that is scary is not that the cops poached the elk but the fact that they used their possition of power as a LEO to poach the elk and then cover up the crime.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Jan 19, 2013 - 07:57am PT
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Trophy-class means the elk had six horns or more on one side of his head. I only counted one antler on each side of his head.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 19, 2013 - 08:51am PT
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This elk was shot in a densely populated residential area in the heart of Boulder.
Not only should these repugnant reprobates go to jail, they should also be banned from LEO work and gun possession for life.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 19, 2013 - 08:56am PT
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That was one of my questions.
What in the world were they doing shooting an elk in a densely populated neighborhood with witnesses close enough to take photos and video?
Colorado natives tend to look the other way if they know a poacher is unemployed and trying to feed a family. That's hardly the case with these guys.
When I was a kid, any poached game the Fish and Game confiscated, was turned over to the local school lunch programs but I'm told that's not allowed anymore. No one can tell me where it does go now but I'm sure not all of it goes to the land fills. At least I hope not.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 19, 2013 - 10:28am PT
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I suspect they will get probation but never work as LEO's again. I wish penalties for corrupt police were higher than for average criminals. With more power should come more responsibility and higher penalties.
Alaska averages 600 Moose a year killed on the roads, more on big snow years. That is Tons of very good meat and these moose are given to non-profits or needy families. It's a big job getting them off the road and recently got some state funding to make it safer and more efficient. The first year of funding was expensive as money was needed to buy initial equipment. Costs will go down steeply after the initial investment.
http://homertribune.com/2012/08/road-killed-moose-now-delivered-to-the-door-pizza-style/
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jan 19, 2013 - 10:32am PT
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I heard the elk was found with 2 grams of cocaine stashed in its antlers.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 19, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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That moose road kill program is really neat!
It's nice to know that there are places and issues in America that still have common sense local solutions to problems.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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I hope they fine them heavily and put 'em in jail for
a long time.
Two fewer bad cops . . .
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:34am PT
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It sucks these dumb-asses shot the elk, but the biggest issue was the attempted cover-up. "official misconduct, forgery, two counts of tampering with evidence and attempting to influence a public servant. The last three counts are felonies."
Definitely not conduct becoming officers of the law. F*#k them. Hope they go to jail.
If they had just fessed up and said.."yeah.. we're tools and we shot an elk"... they probably would have gotten off with only a slap on the wrist and a fine and been able to slink quietly back to their jobs after the public lost interest.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:36am PT
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It definatly sets a precisent. if they lie and manipulate evidence with the Elk chanced are very good they used the same tactics with other aspects of their work wich very well could = inocent people in jail.....
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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How f*#king stupid can two people be? Evidently, pretty f*#king stupid. Fine examples of LEOs. And that is definitely not hunting.
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