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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Not naive Crusher. If Lance and crew were using more drugs than everyone else, how is it that he never ONCE tested positive. That being the case, absolutely evey cyclist on the Tour is under suspicion......there is simply no way to know.

The Tour is such a prestigious event and so important to a cyclist's career the temptation to cheat must be enormous. More so because cyclists know that many (likely the majority) of their competitors are doing it and they don't want to be left at a disadvantange.


edit: Crusher, are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that Bradley Wiggins is clean?
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
Se careful what you post here. Lance may be reading, and he doesn't take criticism lightly. Got a pink slip recently? Wonder who's pulling the stings. Found you rope soiled with acid? It could be payback time...

At least when a climber bolts his way up the A4 section the truth comes out eventually. lol

But I must confess, I've been known (or I should say, not known) to hang on gear surreptitiously mid crux. I'll have to give back my onsight awards.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:07pm PT


There are MANY here on ST that should be wiping their chins...




All along it was fuking OBVIOUS that Lance Loser is just that...

Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
Lance got molested when he was a little kid, and, in order to compensate for it and express his inner rage, he turned into a hyper, over-achieving endurance athlete that would go to any extreme to improve and win. Just the same kind of psychopathic personality you find so often in corporate America, except Lance went into professional sports.

But, my oh my, isn't LA starting to look old before his time, like he really trashed his core and is going to pay for it earlier than most? The vision and the price!
hb81

climber
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
The only way to create an even playing field is to have no restrictions on drugs. It could be a devil's advocate sort of thing. The rider has to decide between powerful, but dangerous, performance enhancers- the more performance enhancing the more dangerous and, perhaps, life shortening.

This has already been tried, it's called 1960s pro cycling.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Not naive Crusher. If Lance and crew were using more drugs than everyone else, how is it that he never ONCE tested positive.

No, I did not mean naive, sorry. But the claim above is not true.

He did fail drug tests, apparently, both at the time of testing (he weaseled his way out of at least one failed test) and, more damningly, when they retesting old urine samples.

It was Lance himself who began and repeated the claim that he never failed a drug test, out of hundreds he took. Just another lie. He was not tested "hundreds" of time.

I forget where I read an analysis of this claim; it was in last few days. I recall something about one failed test being where he was hit up unexpectedly in his hotel room and refused to come out for an hour or so.

I'll add a link if I stumble on it again.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
The only way to create an even playing field is to have no restrictions on drugs. It could be a devil's advocate sort of thing. The rider has to decide between powerful, but dangerous, performance enhancers- the more performance enhancing the more dangerous and, perhaps, life shortening.

This has already been tried, it's called 1960s pro cycling.

I thought it was called the 1970s East German Olympics squad.....
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Admitting everything on TV must have really taken ball.

I don't think the confession counted though, Oprah was doping when she asked him
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
I recall something about one failed test being where he was hit up unexpectedly in his hotel room and refused to come out for an hour or so.
WTF is an hour going to buy? He was probably busy banging the Olsen twins.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
You're right.....people like Lance only fess up when EVERY single other option has been expended.
Even his confession is only partly true and contains a lot of lies and half truths.

This is common with pathologically self-absorbed people.....could be why it's so commonplace with elite atheletes, and politicians.


That is why playing into the public shaming is just as much a part of the machine as the undeserved adulation we pay these figureheads. Congrats, the ad machine tooled another rube!

In a sport aided and abetted by technology (just lookit their weightless bikes and sperm like time trial helmets) and high strategy, I don't really see the fuss over a little blood doping. So what? Lance is still the best athlete because if you just add a little of the same rocket fuel they're all using, he comes out on top almost every time. King of the Dopers in the sport of dopers. That's what you get for worshiping a bunch of pedal pushers, ya weenies!
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
His natural abilities never met the mark required to be a true Champion
This argument has gone stale.

It appears that in 2009, as an old man, he took 3rd place, behind at least 1 doper, w/o doping...
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Imagine that pro climbers were on TV.


Imagine that every network in the world would camp out every year and the eyes of the world would watch as PTPP and others ascended El Cap.


Imagine if they were making millions and millions of dollars off of our sport - advertising and televising.



Imagine if they had pink and yellow polka-dot jerseys that Pete had to wear each day.


Imagine if you grew up thinking that the top climbers got to be in on this circus.


Imagine if that was the pinnacle of the sport, revolving around $$$$$$.





Nike was 'shocked' that LA played the greed game that they have going. Professional sports are about $, and I don't think the players shouldn't get a slice of the pie. There isn't a lot of ethics in making $$$$ off of a poor sports person committing 6 hours a day to training, or 24 hours a day on the wall - they are doing the work but the network gets the ad revenue? Why shouldn't Dean Potter get the majority of the money produced by his climbing, rather than those promoting the climbing?




So while cheating and lying about it is wrong - I see it as the game of competitive cycling. Be as fast as you can get away with. Make your share of the pie. It isn't shocking at all to see this happening in every competitive sport. The people that love to ride just ride. The people that play the game win - until the multitude of governing bodies make it too complicated to hide the lies.




You would see this behavior somehow in climbing as well if you turned climbing into the circus that pro cycling has become. Instead, I see guys like Honnold and others doing beautiful things with the sport, pure, esthetic lines, BASE mixed in there, clean ascents and more and more alpine style stuff and when we are lucky enough to see some gopro footage it is inspiring and amazing to see. I'm enjoying it while I can!
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jan 18, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
'92 He finished 97 after DNFing after stage 12
'95 He finished 36
'09 He finished 23

Hey The Chief, you think he was clean for those races?

Fool.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 19, 2013 - 12:31am PT
I don't need to use drugs like NO to last a long time. I prefer natural methods.

Here is that natural device that I use:
LAST LONGER
LAST LONGER
Credit: Sierra Ledge Rat
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 19, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Folk need to realize just how much of our so called "Culture" is based on lies. These are not isolated instances.
That's why I say we're all gonna die. Can we honestly look at ourselves and then change it? or not?
sac

Trad climber
Sun Coast B.C.
Jan 19, 2013 - 01:16am PT
I watched the Oprah interview.

I came to this conclusion:

Dude's a freekin' psychopath.

Cancer Boy

Trad climber
Freedonia
Jan 19, 2013 - 02:44am PT
I have substituted "Lance Armstrong" for "Raskolnikov" in my copy of Crime and Punishment. Waiting to see if it ends the same way.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 19, 2013 - 02:48am PT
Hey, folks, Lance here. Just want to say I'm sorry

That I got caught.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 19, 2013 - 07:22am PT
No good can come from wearing those gay leotards!

DMT
Degaine

climber
Jan 19, 2013 - 11:05am PT
The Chief wrote:
Regardless the UCI and the rest of those that silently condoned LA and his actions, LA still needs to bear the brunt of it all. For it is he that allowed it all to happen and to continue for as long as it did.

You really are clueless if you think that the UCI and the sponsors weren’t in on it, condoning it, and threatening to fire riders if they did not perform better.

Having Lance bear the brunt of it all is what those behind the scenes want. It’ll be like 1998 all over again, with Festina and Virenque taking the brunt of the blame, that this behavior is a rarity, and it will all just be swept under the rug for another ten years until the next “great” rider comes along.

All those who have used are guilty, and their guilt should be handled accordingly, I don’t see why Hamilton or Landis or anyone else should be treated less severely than Lance. They came forward under pressure of prosecution, not because it was the right or honorable thing to do, and they took PEDs for the same reasons Lance did, money and glory.

Your fixation with Lance is unhealthy.
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