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JerryA

Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 18, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Horace Rumpole & I think that compared to the Olympic and UCI officials who are still making high salaries ,Lance and all of the riders who did the actual work are saints !
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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gf

climber
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
how'd that line from that stones track "you'll never make a saint of me" go-"
Saint Lance the persecutor
Was a cruel and sinful man
Jesus hit him with a blinding light
And then his life began
I said yeah

well i'm not a jesus freak -but that guy was and likely is a cruel and sinful man
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
WA, & NC & Idaho
Jan 18, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
Professional cycling is dead to me, ba humbug.
I thought he was a doper 10+ years ago.
What a jerk!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 18, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
I don't think that Lance possesses many, if any, redeeming qualities, but I get a kick out of the pundits who say that the real victims are the competitors who got cheated out of the podium. And, pray tell, who are those cyclists? Consider that when Lance was stripped of his Tour titles no other competitors were given them in his place.
They ALL cheated.....professional cycling is a farce.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
It makes you long for the days of true honest champions



...like Greg LeMond.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
Either everyone should Perf Enhance or everyone should not.


why don't they just let everyone? Or have two different class of racers?

they still have to work hard to perform at that level.


The playing field is the problem.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
For it is he that allowed it all to happen and to continue for as long as it did.

A totally absurd contention.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
The problem is creating an even playing field. Drug deception technology always seems to be ahead of drug detection technology.
If you had two classes, one for users and one for clean riders, the class for clean riders would become the most prestigious. That being the case, it is likely that someone would cheat and use drugs in order to win.
The only way to create an even playing field is to have no restrictions on drugs. It could be a devil's advocate sort of thing. The rider has to decide between powerful, but dangerous, performance enhancers- the more performance enhancing the more dangerous and, perhaps, life shortening.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
The force is with you - nitric oxide



SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
If the person who finishes last in a race is stripped of their finish because of drugs, does the person who finished next to last now get last place?

Jus' wonderin.

Susan
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Yes that is correct, provided that he/she doesn't fess up and lose it. If he does, then it's turtles all the way down.






zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
You already answered it

Regardless the UCI and the rest of those that silently condoned LA and his actions

Yes Armstrong did prolong it.

Maybe Doc Johnson is to blame too

G_Gnome

Trad climber
Pebble Wrestling.... Badly lately.
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
Chief said
Appears Lance's true abilities were exhibited in his first two TDF appearances and his very last.

'92 He finished 97 after DNFing after stage 12
'95 He finished 36
'09 He finished 23

His natural abilities never met the mark required to be a true Champion, did they now.

So obviously he could not complete with those doping until he started doping too. This is the point you miss in your tirades. All top level riders were doping in that period (and now most likely) or they were not at the top level.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
You're right.....people like Lance only fess up when EVERY single other option has been expended.
Even his confession is only partly true and contains a lot of lies and half truths.

This is common with pathologically self-absorbed people.....could be why it's so commonplace with elite atheletes, and politicians.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Bingo

So obviously he could not complete with those doping until he started doping too.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
he problem is creating an even playing field. Drug deception technology always seems to be ahead of drug detection technology.
If you had two classes, one for users and one for clean riders, the class for clean riders would become the most prestigious. That being the case, it is likely that someone would cheat and use drugs in order to win.
The only way to create an even playing field is to have no restrictions on drugs. It could be a devil's advocate sort of thing. The rider has to decide between powerful, but dangerous, performance enhancers- the more performance enhancing the more dangerous and, perhaps, life shortening.

That's naive, Jim. It was some top cyclist, decades ago, using basic amphetamine-type speed, dying during a race that provoked the idea of drug-testing.

The temptation, the pressure, is too strong on young, impressionable athletes.

I think the drug testing is starting to get ahead of the dopers. Not by much. One of the things that caught Armstrong out was re-testing old urine samples with testing methods that did not exist when he supplied those samples. That's an open-ended threat for all current and future dopers.

Others may have doped, but Armstrong took it to a new level and in doing so has done enormous damage to his sport. I'm glad he never tried climbing

Gorgeous George

Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
I think Lance and Greg Mortenson should hook up and form a new charity, "Looking for Mr. Gullible," something like that. Imagine what a powerhouse team they could make?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Not naive Crusher. If Lance and crew were using more drugs than everyone else, how is it that he never ONCE tested positive. That being the case, absolutely evey cyclist on the Tour is under suspicion......there is simply no way to know.

The Tour is such a prestigious event and so important to a cyclist's career the temptation to cheat must be enormous. More so because cyclists know that many (likely the majority) of their competitors are doing it and they don't want to be left at a disadvantange.


edit: Crusher, are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that Bradley Wiggins is clean?
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
Se careful what you post here. Lance may be reading, and he doesn't take criticism lightly. Got a pink slip recently? Wonder who's pulling the stings. Found you rope soiled with acid? It could be payback time...

At least when a climber bolts his way up the A4 section the truth comes out eventually. lol

But I must confess, I've been known (or I should say, not known) to hang on gear surreptitiously mid crux. I'll have to give back my onsight awards.
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