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crazyazid
climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 6, 2006 - 10:32am PT
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Anyone have experience with these things? Anyway to keep them from coming back with specific stretches for the wrist or taping?
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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cut back on the stress that is causing the cyst and smash it with a bible. Seriously...deep friction massage can help reduce and breakup the cyst, but for sure, cut back on whatever is causing it. It's a sack full of fluid and the more stress to it the more it will tend to swell.
Good luck with it, hopefully it doesn't cause you too much discomfort. Don't blow it off and ignore it, it can lead to more serious conditions, especially in the wrist. Might not be a bad idea to get it checked out to make sure it is a cyst and not something more serious.
Peace
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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I had one on my pinky finger once - it was attached to the tendon sheath. Didn't bother me until I pressed on it - like in a finger lock or grabbing a bucket. Then it felt like a needle being driven into my joint! I had it surgically removed and it went back to 'normal' in about two months.
Doc said it was pinched tissue that isolates itself into a little "ball" (cyst) because the body can't break it down by normal means. Don't know if all cysts are caused this way however....
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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YEp had a lot of em when I was a kid, landing wrongly on my hands when falling playing soccer.
Go to a doctor.
Get em drained.
Sometimes you get em cut out (hold off on that)
unless they cause you trouble, don't do anything.
Edit:
Whoa, lots of bad ideas there!!!
A ganglion cyst is full of liquid. sometime the fulid is thin, sometiems it is thick. dropping a big book in it is not really a good treatment, but if you rupture that sack holding the fluid, it wil be reabsorbed by the body over time. you may also do damage droping the book on yourself.
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crazyazid
climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2006 - 10:45am PT
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thanks for the responses. I actually did see a doctor last year and have surgery to remove it since it actually did cause a slight loss in wrist strength. However, a bit over a year later and its back right in the same spot. Argh!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Azid, they do that. they come back which is why my doctors prefered to drain them.
Draining is way better than surgery cause it is less invasive and no other stucture to ruin as in surgery.
SOme guy screws up on your wrist, or you get adhesions, that ain't good for clibming dude.
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dirtbag
climber
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When you do get them drained, please post photos of the procedure and write a TR thread. I'd love to see it. You should also save the drained ooze for your grandkids. I've been saving my toenail clippings for that reason.
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crazyazid
climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2006 - 10:54am PT
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thanks for the advice.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Ater mine was removed I checked it out. It was like a tiny grain of rice and was hard like a rock crystal. It was totally attached to the tendon sheath so the Doc also had to ramove a piece of the sheath leaving a hole in it - which later filled in with scar tissue. Don't know if was technically considered a "ganglion cyst". He said it was a cyst however. weird thing it was...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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John, cyst just means something your body encapsulates.
They can be full of fluid, puss, or tissue, and maybe other stuff.
Over time they can get shrink and really hard.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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I've had one in my wrist for years. Got it weeding a garden. Lesson learned: no more weeding for me. (very convenient!) While I was too big a wuss to drop a book on it, I have stumbled and fallen a few times, and the result from catching my fall on the bend wrist crushed the cyst. Of course, it always came right back - even with no additional weeding or other activity to annoy it.
Now it's hard, I have less flexibility in my wrist (makes push ups hard and I have to use the 'handle' thingies to do them). Other than that, we are at a mutual cease fire. It doesn't grow or hurt and I don't try to crush it. Good luck.
BTW: sometimes that bump (now that it doesn't hurt anymore) is helpful in jams!
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TimM
Trad climber
near Joshua Tree
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I had once of these at the base of my ring finger (on my palm side). The doctor that I went to did actually say take a large book and smash it. I did, it didn't really hurt, it went away and luckily it hasn't returned. Given that it tends to spread into the joint area, I'd prefer to always try this rather than attempt surgery. Hope this helps.
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crazyazid
climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2006 - 12:57pm PT
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yeah, it makes pushups annoying for me...never thought about it helping in jams though...hmmm...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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If you are going to book your cyst, better be sure it is not hardened or full of pus or hard tissue.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Ron is right, ganglion cysts use to be treated with a Bible, hence the nickname Bible Cysts, but according to this Aussie website:
Treatment options
Ganglion cysts used to be treated by slamming them with a heavy book such as a Bible - which explains the term 'Bible therapy'. This isn't a good idea, as you could cause further injury. Medical treatment options include: (see link)
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Cysts_ganglion_cysts?OpenDocument
When I was a kid that is how my doctor treated one that I had, with a bible, but I'd guess that modern medical convention rejects that method, though I never had problems after that.
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Irisharehere
Trad climber
Gunks
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Well, there's no billing code for "smashing cyst with heavy book", so its kinda fallen out of favour..........
that, and the lawsuits that would ensue, from the broken fingers!
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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sebaceous cyst=soft in nature=smash with book or wall hammer, can't sue yourself for inflecting pain and/or injury, keep the phookin lawyers outa this!!!!
If you got a hard cyst in nature= check by doc.
PEACE
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Lineman
Trad climber
Mariposa Ca
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I had one on the back of my wrist,Had it sugicly removed
Two years later it was back,Smashed it with a bread board on a doctors advice,It changed shape instantly, dissapeared in a week.And it has not come back, 23 years now.
Ill opt for the smashing next time. Easier than the surgery.
Mark
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woodcraft
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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I also have one on my ring finger- from a cut that nicked the tendon. I had it operated on, and it came back after awhile, but not a big problem. The fluid that lubricates the tendon fills the bulge, and jells & hardens.
Lesson learned: be careful with broken toilets.
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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I have one on the top of my left wrist as we speak. Damn thing will grow to a little smaller than a quarter, then one day I will look down and it is gone...presumably burst.
It has come and gone for decades, and only occasionally does it bother me by restricting the hand from bending back. I have talked to doc about it and he said that even with surgery they frequently come back. Heard of the Bible route, too, but it pops on its own.
No pain or anything, just a big bump.
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Islander
climber
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I was bothered for several years by a ganglion cyst. Had it drained several times, but the recurrance rate is 50%, and in my case it returned with a vengance both times. Finally, I opted for surgury (last November), and although it feels weaker, the pain and reduced ROM is gone.
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David Nelson
climber
San Francisco
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, why get beta from people who have a sample size of 1 and no training? See a doctor, preferably a hand surgeon.
The term "ganglion" is unfortunate, because it refers to many things. Same thing with the word "cyst."
Most people are referring to this when they say "ganglion":
This is a typical wrist gangion.
For more, see an essay I wrote at http://www.davidlnelson.md/Ganglion.htm
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MisterE
Social climber
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:02am PT
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I have gotten one on my middle finger of my right hand in the last year - *sigh*. So much for my future career:
I went in for a complete physical a week or so ago, and asked the doctor about the "bible-smash" technique. He told me a gentler way to get rid of it was to push on it with moderate pressure for 10 seconds 50 times a day...
50 TIMES A DAY!!??!!
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Mar 28, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
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I have an appointment to have this one drained/aspirated on 29 April. Had it sice 75, only just become a problem.....
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Mar 28, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
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wow E, if you lock that off in a crack, is that aid?
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mitchy
Trad climber
new england
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Mar 28, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
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I had a cyst like that on my wrist 4-5 years ago, i tried the book technique, was a no go. Slammed the book on my hand 5-6 times, nothing, then i grabbed a stapeler. One hit and it's been gone ever since.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Mar 28, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
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Been there, tried that - just get a really sore hand!
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giegs
climber
Tardistan
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Mar 28, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
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Had one on my ring finger surgically removed when I was 16 and it started to cause pain when using my hands for anything. 10 years later and it hasn't come back or given me any issues. Full recovery was a little more than a month.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Apr 21, 2013 - 01:44am PT
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Just smashed the f*#ker that's been plagueing me. Don't tell me tv remotes are useless!
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janeclimber
Ice climber
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Apr 21, 2013 - 02:07am PT
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Had a cyst on my left ring finger. It was aspirated twice and smashed once but kept coming back. It caused constant pain. So after two years, I had it surgically removed last August.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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May 14, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
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aaaaanndd.. it's already coming back. Bleh. Going to the hand doc next week.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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May 14, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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Well had mine MRI'd yesterday - there was a power cut right at the end, so I go back on Thursday. The to the consultant on monday, hopefully to have it aspirated.
Stve
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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May 14, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
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Good luck to both of us!
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