Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Jan 16, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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Patriotism is a smoke show. Seems that on this forum, a patriot is someone that agrees with a posters political beliefs, conservative or liberal. I think our govt is a corrupt entity that is populated with politicians that are largely in it for their own narcissistic satisfaction. I do pay my taxes with out complaint so I must be a patriot.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
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Oh yeah? Where's your combat ribbon from?!
Kidding man. I chuckles out loud....heh heh heh....
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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I do pay my taxes with out complaint so I must be a patriot.
That's what Bluering used to say, and it never failed to rile Dingus. And it somewhat confused me, because if the qualification for being a patriotic American is paying taxes to the US government, then that makes me a patriotic American, too. But how can that be, when I'm not American at all? If foreigners who come to your country and take your jobs and steal your women (or men) are just as patriotic as Bluering, what does that say about Bluering. Or you?
Edit to add: I guess I must be bored today, too.
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moosedrool
Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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Man, am I lucky I haven’t started “I am a Patriot” thread!
You almost got me confused :)
I love America because… Forget it! Love does not need justification.
BUT:
I came to the USA with my wife, two kids and about $3,000. I started working painting houses while my wife was looking for a job. After a few months she found a temporary job as a lab technician. After another few months she was hired as a scientist. Then I found a job in a lab. I started from washing dishes. Soon I found a job as a chemist, and after three years got promoted to a manager. All of that happened because other people helped us. There were Americans and there were complete strangers.
Here, on ST people show their sympathy and kindness to others all the time, including me.
So, forgive my affection, STFUAGC!
Andrzej Citkowicz
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
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Bluering is the quintessential non-patriot.
DMT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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nice post, drool
kind of the American dream and all
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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Great post drool!
Hey Ghost, what hockey team does your wife play for?
BWA HA HA hahahahahaaa!!!!!
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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My combat ribbon was sold to pay for my next climbing trip. Instead being barked at by some a**hole military dude, I was plotting how to finance my next trip to ( fill in cool climbing destination). At the peak of my dirtbaggery, I moved to Chamonix! GASP
I totally am not a patriot. I also enjoy playing and watching soccer/futbol. I should probably move to Canada or something.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
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Dingus, by your definition patriots are a dieing breed. WWII was the last time we defended Ol' Glory.
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
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The Larry, who's 'We'?
DMT
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
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My Grandpa and maybe yours.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
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Hey Ghost, what hockey team does your wife play for?
Well Bruce, if you think I get confused about things patriotic, her situation is even crazier. The one country that doesn't play a part in it though, is Canada.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
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WWII was the last time we defended Ol' Glory.
Hmmmm, I can think of a few million Korea, Nam, Gulf 1, Gulf 2 and Afghanistan vets who would disagree.............
Well Bruce, if you think I get confused about things patriotic, her situation is even crazier. The one country that doesn't play a part in it though, is Canada.
Ok, well PM me so I can understand! You still get free chile though.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
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I went and got me one of these:
The National Defense Service Medal.
But I ain't no g#$%&mn patriot. That kinda talk is for Sarah, Track, Tank, Trig, Todd, and Tugboat (or wTF ever they named the latest snowbilly).
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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That kinda talk is for Sarah, Track, Tank, Trig, Todd, and Tugboat (or wTF ever they named the latest snowbilly).
Ok, that was funny as FUK!
And I was raised Alaskan! G'damn, maybe that's what made it so phuggin funny!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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I'm pretty sure the last country that attacked us was Japan.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
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^^^
I'm pretty sure it was Saudi Arabia.
I did a few years in AK, during the time when Caribou Barbie ran and won the Governorship. People think she was an inept clown (and they are right), but they should get to know the guy she beat in the primary, John Binkley, a local Fairbanks family-money guy who was an even bigger as#@&%e and moron. I had to deal with that goober and his dipshit brother in the course of my job. Sarah looked like Rhodes Scholar material next to these entitled buffoons.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 16, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
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I'm pretty sure it was Saudi Arabia. Via Asscrackistan and a basement in Germany, and England and Los Angeles and and and and and and and and.
While I agree that we can't just take off on adventure wars whenever we see fit, it's a bit more complicated than Pearl Harbor these days.
But what do I know? I'm only a high school graduate...............
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 16, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
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I'm pretty sure it was Saudi Arabia.
nah, Saudi Arabia did not attack us on 9/11
but a number of their "rogue" citizens did, just like we got some loose screws here too
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jan 16, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
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A person can't do everything. Some defend against foreign enemies, others defend against domestic enemies.
Poverty is a domestic enemy.
Not supporting our Veterans is a domestic enemy that undermines the strength of our country.
I have fought against both of those.
i guess you assume our country is strong, moose. i think it's weak. oh, it's become the bully of the world, but its people are cowering, self-absorbed, ignorant, and quite happy about it. except, of course, when chickens come home to roost.
your fighting seems to be in the past tense. a patriot would look around and find lots to keep fighting about. freedom isn't free, and it's being strangled every day while you "patriots" pose and posture.
the fallacy of the militarism i hear being voiced here is that one must have a war. without a war, there can be no patriotism, no heroism, might as well not have a country. from my point of view, the vietnam era saw the real patriots coming to the fore, using our national media, our democratic processes and our cultural debate to end a war that was a piece of sh#t being shoved down our throats for reasons no one could make sense of. america won the vietnam war, but it wasn't the unthinking soldiers who enlisted and took the orders to kill for no good reason. the american people ended that war, the first war and only war ever ended by a people in the history of the world. frankly, i think it's something to be very, very proud of.
but then the spin doctors got ahold of it and no one cares to remember it that way at all. the mandatory draft was abolished, the military turned into the province of wannabe rambos (we certainly have our share of them on supertopo), dummies who can't make it into junior college, and illegal aliens. yes, illegal aliens, as i noted above. while the tea party people are grousing about losing their w.a.s.p. culture, the army fills up with second-, first- and sometimes wetback-generation latinos who think it's a great inside track to the american mainstream. you can bet they leave their critical thinking and their sense of duty to anything as abstract as the constitution way back at the port of entry. what el padron asks, el padron gets.
i put you in that category, andrzej. i will tell you point blank that i think that foreigners coming over here looking at a corrupt system through rosy-colored glasses, thinking they're in a big candy store, is the last thing america needs. this country is sick and it needs to cure itself. if you like it better than the communist system which used to infect poland, take those glasses off and it will become more and more familiar.
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