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moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 16, 2013 - 10:01am PT
She is not stupid, just slow ;)

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."

Winston Churchill
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2013 - 10:35am PT
I am not trolling here. We call her stupid, irresponsible, imperialistic, etc, but the truth is we all love America.

If we can’t solve our problems, next generations will. Why? Because we are getting smarter. At least according to R. Flynn, a researcher at the University of Otago in New Zealand:

IQ scores have been increasing steadily since the beginning of the 20th century. Flynn went on to examine intelligence-test data from more than two dozen countries and found that scores were rising by 0.3 point a year—three full points per decade. Nearly 30 years of follow-up studies have confirmed the statistical reality of the global uptick, now known as the Flynn effect. And scores are still climbing.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=will-we-keep-getting-smarter-flynn-effect-says-yes
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:38am PT
And she is being slowed to a virtual standstill by Tea Party Congressmen who reject science, foment racisim and govern with absolutely no grasp of the real problems confronting a "modern" America.

I love an America that is a beacon of freedom, hope and tolerance.....an America that is a leader in innovation and scientific research. The America that drew OUR ancestors to it's shores when they "immigrated" in order to find a better life for themselves and their progeny.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:40am PT
north, south,
central,
or un?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:42am PT
Moose, did you over medicate this morning?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2013 - 10:52am PT
LOL Kenny. It is not the pills. I just woke up with a smile on my face for some reason :)

Donini:
And she is being slowed to a virtual standstill by Tea Party Congressmen who reject science, foment racisim and govern with absolutely no grasp of the real problems confronting a "modern" America.

True, but we also elected the first black president. What’s more, we re-elected him. The ignorant will eventually lose.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:54am PT
The signs are pointing in that direction.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:01am PT
The number of illegal aliens is down almost 40% in recent years. That pretty much sums it up, we're not as attractive as we used to be!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:10am PT
A shot of an axhibit at the Manzanar Internment Camp:

Credit: Reilly
There's someone who loves America.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Loving America -- or any country -- in the sense that Donini described above is one thing. Loving America -- or any country -- blindly, is quite another.

Blind patriotism is a what allows warmongers to have their way. It has been the death warrant for hundreds of millions of humans.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:55am PT
I reject the blind religion of patriotism. Ask not what good you can do for your country... no.

Ask... what GOOD is your country.

Hold her feet to the fire. She is only as good as today, yesterday's whine has nothing to do with tomorrow's promise.

Nada.

Mellenials... hold the answers, not the graybeards.

Reject the Religion of Apple Pie. No blind allegiance.

Hah!

I once swore an oath to protect yall with my life, if necessary. I meant it, eyes wide open. When I took that oath I felt the same way about America as I do now, in fact I wrote a college paper based on the Kennedy bastardization I wrote above.

Mrs Trautman gave me an A and I read that paper in a class of military professionals. :-)

I'd swear that oath again, and fight for US. Not for "America" though. For US.

DMT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Yep, things ARE getting better....slowly

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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
I love the good ol' USA too!

But.....
*The government always bears close watching.

*Only half of my countrymen agree with my basic vision of America.
(Actually, most of us agree on most things, but there are a few issues that basically stop us dead in our tracks!)


*Speak loudly about the things you disagree with. That's one of the things I like about Ron, even though he's frequently wrong...HA!!

*Steve Earle said: "Yes, I'm a patriot, it's just that I've never worn red, white and blue very well."
Can I get an AMEN?!?!!!!!!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
Steve Earl a patriot?

Did he tote a combat rifle?

DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
My wife hasn't toted a combat rifle but she loves America.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Jingoism, flag waving and the attitude, "my country, right or wrong, my country," is not real patriotism- wanting to make your country better IS.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Ghost, DMT, Donini, I completely agree. Patriotism is exploited by the politicians all the time. Being rational is the best way to serve your country. But I noticed that we (yours truly including) complain all the time about everything. It is healthy to balance the bad with the good. I think we are moving in the right direction, we are just slow.

Americans Optimistic About Life in 2013

PRINCETON, NJ -- Although Americans are generally pessimistic about the prospects for the nation's economy and international peace in the year ahead, the large majority (69%) say they are optimistic about how they and their family will do in 2013, while 27% are pessimistic.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159698/americans-optimistic-life-2013.aspx
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Steve Earl a patriot?

Did he tote a combat rifle?

Since when is toting a rifle a requirement of being a patriot?

Definition of PATRIOT
: one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests



1.
a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2.
a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.


I think Mr Earle might be down with that second definition in particular.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Patriotism is exploited by the politicians all the time.

exploited by fellow citizens all the time too. If you ain't served your nation in combat you ain't no patriot.

Donini is a patriot. Survival is a patriot. There are millions more just like em.

Some loudmouth in line to buy a pistol at Cabelas, draping the flag over her shoulders?

NOT A PATRIOT.

DMT
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Thanks for that DMT.
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