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nah000

Mountain climber
canuckadia
Jan 10, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
interesting to see the range of responses to this movie.

i'm an admitted tarantino fan. that said my opinion is really based on only three movies: reservoir dogs, pulp fiction and jackie brown. the rest of his later oeuvre, feel, to me, mostly like an imitation of himself. the violence, the camp and the shock too often become ... boring.

django on the other hand was, imo, fantastic. it wasn't perfect. but if there ever was a place for over the top violence and language, a story set in the midst of a relatively recent legal structure allowing fellow humans to be treated like cattle, well, then, that would be it.

the fact that a white guy had the balls to tackle this subject matter and the only african-american person with any kind of public exposure denigrating the result is spike lee [whose opinion is based on not watching it - what a self important f*#king d#@&%e] is, well, surprising.

if there's one thing you can't argue about, regarding tarantino: he's got balls.

spoiler alert: one of the biggest kicks i got out of this movie was tarantino hopelessly trying to act and then blowing himself up. he may be full of himself, but he appears to have at least some self-awareness and a sense of humour regarding his own outsized ego.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 10, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
Homage to spaghetti western?

Western?

Samuel L, and Jamie Foxx?

Tarantino?

Good enough for me.

I'll see it and enjoy every minute for what it is, a movie.


the fact that a white guy had the balls to tackle this subject matter and the only african-american person with any kind of public exposure denigrating the result is spike lee [whose opinion is based on not watching it - what a self important f*#king d#@&%e] is, well, surprising.

I feel the same by the way.
tiki-jer

Trad climber
fresno/clovis
Jan 10, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
Hey Toad you are correct.....I posted a thread called 'Lone Pine in the Movies' a while back. Also some scenes were in Wyoming and Colorado I recall.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 10, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
Spike is just mad because Quentin's bizarre entertainment has trumped Spike's deep meaningful stuff so many times.....
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 10, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Have you guys seen this one? Tarantino has a cameo.

It's a western, too.

Sukiyaki Western Django
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0906665/
Edge

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Jan 10, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
I saw Django in Denver over the holidays. My 21 year old son and I watched it and enjoyed it for what it was, classic Tarantino.

My wife and daughter went next door and watched Les Mis; both movies had similar run times and show times... Coincidence? At least the dozen people in line in front of us split on similar lines.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 10, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Werner: When I lived in Chicago...

Now that finally explains a lot. And talk about unchained...
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 10, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
It was entertaining and well done in a distorted sort of way, and perhaps a reasonable portrayal of the depths of slavery in the US. How representative it was may be another matter. US movies are frequently ahistorical, sometimes greatly so.

It seemed a stretch that the protagonists were a German dentist/bounty hunter, who teamed up with an escaped and recaptured slave on a somewhat quixotic quest. Not a likely scenario. The martial abilities of Schultz and Django also seemed a considerable stretch, with Django apparently able to use firearms of all kinds at all distances, and score a "kill" each time, but never be scratched by the numerous opponents. Not likely.

The fight scene in Pulp Fiction, where the punk empties a revolver at point blank range toward Travolta and Jackson, and misses, seemed a bit more like reality.
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
Jan 10, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
as for historical innacuricies...

Dynamite was patented in 1867 , the beginning of the film says they're in 1858 ...

Still loved it .

QT will get my $$$ again .
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 10, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
And what the f*#k was the deal with the aussie accents in the going-to-the-mine scene (and did he really have to do the infantile and terminally hokey I's-got-to-blowed-myself-up bit)?
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 10, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
It's really disappointing how people botch about the violence. Couldn't even compare to the life those people had to live.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 10, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
It was kind of illustrating why the US fell into a civil war - there was no other way to resolve the differences.

The "Australian" characters were perhaps intended to suggest that a few Australians found their way to the US south, and fitted in there. It seems possible, and the Australian treatment of their aborigines was as bad or worse as blacks were treated in the US.

It would be interesting to hear the views of someone knowledgeable about the historicity of the movie.
ec

climber
ca
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Why Django Unchained is One of the Most Important Movies of the Year
Bob Cesca
Posted: 01/11/2013 3:33 pm

I don't usually get into movie reviews here, but I wanted to take some time with the new Quentin Tarantino film Django Unchained; partly because racial issues and the American Civil War are two areas that I discuss quite frequently, but primarily because it took me several days to fully grapple with my reaction to the movie.

Let's start with the obligatory qualifier: I'm a huge Tarantino fan. Kill Bill and Inglourious Basterds are two of my favorite films, and True Romance is one of my favorite screenplays. But more that any particular favorites list, I just really dig the fact that he has so much fun making movies, and it absolutely shows on screen. Even though he's been making movies for more than two decades, he's managed to retain the exuberance of a first timer -- only with lots of really big toys to play with. This can lead to self-indulgence, and Tarantino is absolutely self-indulgent, but in a good way because he rarely fumbles the creative latitude he's earned and therefore he rarely disappoints. Say what you will about him (derivative, too-wordy, etc...) but he's no slouch and he knows how to craft a movie.

Over the last several months, we've been treated to a lot of great films: Lincoln, Argo, Flight, The Hobbit and so forth. But I can say without hesitation that of all the movies I've seen recently, Django Unchained confounded me initially, and that's saying a lot considering how I've also seen and enjoyed Cloud Atlas and Life of Pi -- a pair of brain-benders to say the least.

Django Unchained is set during the two years immediately prior to the Civil War. Jamie Foxx plays Django, a slave who's offered his freedom by a German-American dentist turned bounty hunter, Dr. King Schultz, played by the extraordinary Christoph Waltz (Waltz deservingly won the Academy Award for his role as Col. Hans Landa in Inglourious Basterds). Dr. Schultz is interested in Django because the slave has information about a particularly lucrative bounty, and so Dr. Schultz buys Django in spite of his hatred of slavery, and in exchange agrees to help Django track down and rescue his wife who we come to discover is owned by Leonardo DiCaprio's exceedingly creepy southern dilettante, Calvin Candie. It turns out that Django possesses a natural talent for bounty hunting, and the duo become close friends. Once they encounter Candie, things get ugly. Really, really ugly.

I won't spoil any more of the movie's plot. Yes, it's billed as Tarantino's take on a Sergio Leone spaghetti western. And yes, Tarantino mashes up a spaghetti western (actually a "spaghetti southern" since much of the film takes place in Tennessee and Mississippi) with the utter brutality of the American institution of slavery.

That's what tripped me up.

On one hand, I thought it was a really solid Tarantino movie. It was beautifully shot and the performances made me really, really love the characters who we're supposed to love and viscerally despise the characters who we're supposed to despise. DiCaprio is easily becoming one of my favorite actors and with each of his films it becomes increasingly evident why directors from Eastwood to Spielberg to Scorsese want to cast him in everything. And Waltz was so completely likeable, I'd love to see a prequel featuring Dr. King Schultz's transition from dentist to bounty hunter. By the way, even though I'm not a prude when it comes to movie violence, I could barely get through two of the more harrowing scenes of slave abuse (without giving too much away, the dog scene and the "mandingo fight" scene). Beyond those seriously uncomfortable bits, the rest of the violence was typical Tarantino: lots of quasi-cartoony geysers of blood. No surprises there. Oh, and I loved the soundtrack, particularly the classic Jim Croce track "I Got A Name."

On the other hand, Tarantino seems to have mashed-up a revenge-driven spaghetti western with slavery.

After leaving the movie, I felt off balance, unable to peg the content of the last 165 minutes of my life. I really wanted to love the movie but what kept nagging at me was the treatment of slavery in the context of badass Tarantino romp. Should I really be laughing at the gaggle of proto-KKK rednecks complaining about the eye-holes in their hoods (it was a really a funny scene)? Should I be rooting for a character, Dr. Schultz, who, even though he hates slavery, still bought a human being and owned him for a short period of time? Ultimately, should Tarantino expect us to have so much fun while watching a movie about the most grotesque chapter in American history, and in doing so does he dishonor the memories of those bound by slavery?

Put another way, it's difficult to imagine cheering and laughing along with a buddy cop movie about the Holocaust, or at an improvised mockumentary about the Native American genocide. We're talking about the unforgivable enslavement and torture -- both physical and psychological torture -- of an entire race of people for the sake of both propping up the southern economy and the socioeconomic status of its entitled gentry. Simply put: slavery was shockingly despicable nearly beyond description and, as such, should it be the centerpiece of a movie with such a cheeky tone? That's the conundrum.

However, it's becoming clear to me that Tarantino made something far deeper than a spaghetti western -- or at least deeper than the spaghetti westerns I've seen. I've come to realize that his chosen homage/genre was simply a launching point into a much more substantive story about an unlikely friendship, joined in a quest for an unlikely love story. But more than anything else, Tarantino has duped a lot of movie-goers into seeing a film about the monstrous, cancerous true nature of American slavery, and I'd wager that a considerable number of people who saw Django Unchained probably didn't see Spielberg's Amistad or The Color Purple or any other historical drama about slavery, many of which were sanitized for mass appeal.

In that respect, I find myself squarely in Tarantino's camp as he faces criticism from various circles. I understand why he frequently used the word "nigger" in the dialogue. It was historically accurate, after all, and part of the aforementioned brutality of slavery. I also understand the slavery side of his mash-up formula. Look, I've read hundreds of volumes about the Civil War -- research which naturally includes texts about the true cause of the war, slavery, as well as texts about the century-plus aftermath of the war, and I can tell you with all honesty that I've never been this affected by any other description of slavery, printed, filmed or otherwise.

Even if Tarantino exaggerated the horror of slavery and even if it were only half as awful as he portrayed it, shame on United States and shame on the framers for not eradicating it from the very start when they had the chance. Maintaining the institution only pandered to a mentally ill demographic of lazy, cheap, sadistic white aristocrats. Tarantino absolutely nailed it: DiCaprio and the other southern landowners, say nothing of their drooling, toothless hillbilly henchmen, were mentally deranged serial killers hiding under the threat of secession. And they were allowed to get away with it because no one dared undermine the southern economy.

The abomination of slavery in the United States and especially the psychopathy of slave owners is what will lastingly stick with me about the movie, and I'm strangely grateful for it. I'm grateful to have been reminded of the shocking truth that half of this nation as recently as 150 years ago treated African Americans as livestock to be abused and exploited however they pleased, and why, until 1861, the other half did nothing to stop it. In the end, perhaps Tarantino sought to make us all want to be Django and Dr. Schultz -- to inflict justice and retribution upon the purveyors of that loathsome, nightmarish endeavor.

The memory of slavery can never -- and should never -- be erased, but for three hours in a movie theater, we felt like we weren't helpless observers of its history. For three hours, we could vicariously attain vengeance against the maniacs who stained our country with their greed and their incomprehensible malice towards millions of innocent human beings.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/django-unchained-movie-of-year_b_2458521.html?view=print&comm_ref=false
DanaB

climber
CT
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
I'd rather rub sh#t on my head than watch one of his movies.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
Prove it.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 12, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
BWA HA HA hahahaaa!!!
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 12, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
Speaking of which, for a movie supposedly set in Mississippi and east Texas, there were an awful lot of mountains and snow.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Excellent analysis ec . . . you really know your cinema and history.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Tarantino sucks.
WBraun

climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
Hahahaha LOL

The movie is a comedy, just plain Hollywood entertainment you over analytical crazy people.

I was laughing my ass off at some of the lines

"Who gave a nigger a gun"

Then he kills them all.

Hahaha
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