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khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Jan 11, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
I don't have anywhere near 300 acres, though of course I wish I did.

Wes, you ignorant assh0le you (which I say with great affection). It's not the size, it's how you use it.


But apparently I was incorrect anyway. Depending on who you believe they have either 500 or 700 acres in production. The latter number is from the Capay Organic website.

This company represents perfectly the sort of massive-scale industrial agriculture that they themselves try to make you want to avoid. They market a small-scale down-home vibe while expanding like crazy, but in size and geography. They are headquartered in downtown SF but have farms all over. They sell at markets nearly 500 miles away. They are long past the scale where you can meet the person who pulled the carrot from the ground. They embody that huge disconnect between farm and table initiated by industrial conventional.

When you break that connection you lose something very very important, and I'd encourage anyone to think seriously about that.

I call this scale and these practices "industrial organic". If you are buying from these people, ok, that's better than many... but don't have any illusions about the small family farm -- what you are getting in that box is not all grown there, or indeed locally. And don't think for a moment that you are getting the highest quality or freshness.


Probably I need to make it absolutely clear that I do believe Capay Organic/Farm Fresh to You is basically a good thing in terms of changing distribution models. It's just not the best things for consumers, the environment, or food awareness.
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
Khanom,

I agree that there are potentially better ways, ie: more localized farms, community gardens and public spaces filled with edible landscaping, but Capay has a good thing going.

It's not just coming from one farm, we support over 20 organic farms, some of which are so small that without Farm Fresh as a Buyer, they would have very little chance of survival. It is as local as possible while still meeting the demands of our customers who want a wide variety available year round.

The quality is excellent, and we guarantee everything we deliver.

The freshness is better than almost every other option, usually 3 days or less from the farm to the home. Want fresher? Grow your own!

Plus, being a larger CSA, we can be commitment free and deliver directly to peoples homes without having to have drop locations that people have to go pick up from. All in all, it's a company that I am proud to work for.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 11, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
Khanom....I saw some of the CSA people at Gannon International ....They didn't look like they were into organics....WTF?
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Jan 12, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
karo, I am quite interested in what you have to say. I have a particular view of this company but naturally I'm missing a lot of information.


Three days is not bad if that's indeed true. However reports from customers about freshness appear to be mixed. And you should know perfectly well that you can get fresher without growing yourself. If you go directly to the farmer, either at a market or to the farm itself.

For the uninformed: why is freshness important? Because produce can lose half it's vitamins in just a few days after picked. Even refrigerated (which can kill flavor for many things), you lose 50% after 1-2 weeks. Typically what you get in a grocery store is at least a week from field.

It's not just coming from one farm, we support over 20 organic farms, some of which are so small that without Farm Fresh as a Buyer, they would have very little chance of survival. It is as local as possible while still meeting the demands of our customers who want a wide variety available year round.


It's so easy to justify transporting ever-longer distances (Capay ships nationwide) by saying that's what consumers demand. Only it's consumer demand, driven by clever marketing, that created the huge disconnection between producer and consumer in the first place. People want strawberries in December and no longer remember why that shouldn't be possible.

But what I find basically offensive about what you say is the notion that small equals unsuccessful. A small farm has "little chance of survival"? Seriously?

Capay represents the kind of re-centralization of agriculture that killed the small farm, and you claim that these farms would die without it? Oh my! And can you answer how it is they can claim not to be a distributor when that's what they do?

This nation was founded on small farms. Back in the day you may have had 160 or 300 odd acres, but mainly because of livestock. Only a tiny fraction of that was in vegetable production.

In my perfect world there will be as many or more micro farms (both urban and rural) as there are grocery stores. You would never have to walk or bike very far to get fresh produce that is Zero days old. Companies like Capay wouldn't exist because there would be no need for distributors and middle-men.

Quite honestly, if you don't believe that that is possible... if you don't believe that a small farm of only a few acres can be successful, then you are kinda part of the problem. That attitude that you have to be big and centralized kills farms.

Viva la revolution!
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
My perfect world vision looks a lot like yours Khanom, and I do believe that it is possible and something we should work towards.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Khanom, you stinky festering hippay fukhole (which I say with great sarcasm)... "maybe I am misunderstanding your intent."

I actually have a little project on the back burner that should help with growing vegetables at higher elevations.... I'm calling it "passive solar shallow geothermal enhanced high elevation gardening." It is based (loosely) on the techniques used in Tiahuanaco near Lake Titicaca... hahaha

Titicaca

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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 12, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
It's really a different world here in country bumpkin NH. Raw milk is available from small farms in every town.

I live in a town of 2000, and there are two CSA's that are well established.

Every surrounding town is mostly the same story.

I'm not saying it's better or worse here, that's not my decision to make, but it's much different that's for sure.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 12, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
... too bad the weather sucks out there...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
hey there say, all...

thanks for the nice info here....

i can't buy all these kind of things, due to the prices, etc, in our area...

but i sure love to hear about... i just try to grow what i can...

i've heard lot about raw milk, being good, too, as to what ksolem said...
just 'depends' on if all is 'done right' right?
and where it comes from as to the dairy/farm?


how the greely? situaion (if i understood that right) works out good for you ksolem...

thanks guys, happy fun good eats to you all, :)
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
Here's what happens if you choose to sell raw milk in California:



The Storm Troopers will raid your joint, to cut the bottom rungs off the economic ladder.
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