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JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
...the elite thing is BS.
I see 3 matches for "elite" in this thread - 2 in your post above and one in mine upthread in the context of "elite town" - Boulder...

I think it's cool when people find a family and enjoy life. Love to see it. However, except for the slideshows, I'm failing to see how these activities were of any benefit to the larger climbing community, as claimed in many posts...
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
Hey Phil, thanks for all your great pics and stories!

This is a great thread.

I remember when Derek Hersey got the idea for climbing the Diamond, solo, in winter. He had no gear for this so Gary quietly gave him all kinds of expensive, top-quality winter gear. Poor Derek was a bit out of his element but Gary was totally supportive.

Derek's first attempt, he lugged a huge, monstrously heavy haul bag full of all the food and gear and stuff, all the way in and stashed it on the Boulderfield, ready for rapping to Broadway. He stumbled out in the dark and hitch-hiked back to Boulder for a few days to rest up. He had no car, so the logistics were not easy. He found a ride with someone and was about to head back up when he got a phone call, "Hey, we rescued your haul bag! Man, it was heavy but we brought everything back down for you; we got it safe and sound--in Fort Collins....."

Derek was horrified. He now had to go recover the bag from Fort Collins before he could even start over. The poor guys who'd brought it down thought they'd done a HUGE favor to someone and were expecting much thanks, at least; there was much sheepishness all round.

Much of that winter was spent with several exhausting forays up and down, before Derek finally called it quits. Gary's generosity benefitted Derek for years--he had lots of cold weather gear for many further adventures.

Quite possibly Gary never really expected Derek to succeed on the Diamond (few of us did, really), but saw in Derek the kind of raw, free-spirited, devil-may-care climber that deserved support, a fellow iconoclast.

Gary's generosity came with no strings.

I think the monster sleeping bag was inherited by Strappo, who, in turn used it for many more adventures.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
However, except for the slideshows, I'm failing to see how these activities were of any benefit to the larger climbing community, as claimed in many posts...


OK.

Gary was always a big supporter of the Access Fund, sponsored multiple cleanups at Flagstaff (Christian's Flagstaff Cleanups), his own old slings and webbing cleanups at Eldo- and lots more that Gary did pretty quietly and many I can't remember at the moment.
I was, however, privy to very many local expedition and individual sponsorships. The discount list at the shop became a major section of the staff manual.
In the ten years I worked there this was ongoing- so I don't have an authoritative list of everything Gary has done for the 'larger' community.

Clearly you have your mind made up and that really is fine. However your knowledge of what Gary has or hasn't done for the community is incomplete at best.

~ph



Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Quite possibly Gary never really expected Derek to succeed on the Diamond (few of us did, really), but saw in Derek the kind of raw, free-spirited, devil-may-care climber that deserved support, a fellow iconoclast.

Gary's generosity came with no strings.


Thanks Crunch,

Spot-on and brilliantly stated. It was true, Gary had no expectations of what Derek would achieve on the Diamond but 'success' wasn't really the point of it.

~ph
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Ron and I lived across the street from Gary for a year? Maybe a little more? What a gas that was. Neat stuff on the walls, Gary's 50th birthday party, having a fake rock thrown at you when you come in the door, a bouldering cave in the garage, good wine, food and folks.

The slide shows at Neptune's were pretty much my only social life.

I never worked there, but he always invited me to the Snowbird trips. Not Ron, just me ;->

Elitist? Boulder for sure, big reason why I left, but Gary? and Neptune's? Nope. A couple of the bigger names he had work for him, yeah.....
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 12, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
Gary was always a big supporter of the Access Fund...

http://www.accessfund.org/site/c.tmL5KhNWLrH/b.5000715/k.22D5/Financials.htm

Shows 2001-2011. In 2010, 2011 Neptune gave in $500-$999 range. All the other years listed - nothing.

...did pretty quietly and many I can't remember at the moment.

Neither can I...
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
I left Neptunes in 2000, so I can't speak for what the shop has done since that time. Previous to that Gary did support the Access Fund. I know. I was there at the meetings at Gary's shop.
If support for the Access Fund is your primary measure of 'contributions to the larger community' then Neptunes is clearly not the shop for you.

What becomes increasingly obvious with each of your posts is the very personal nature of your rancor.

But my statement still stands, your knowledge of Gary's contributions is incomplete.

~ph



Prod

Trad climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
"Hey, we rescued your haul bag! Man, it was heavy but we brought everything back down for you; we got it safe and sound--in Fort Collins....."

F*#king classic. I can nearly hear him now, that had to be a great rant!

Thanks for the story,

Prod.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
The only thing that annoys me about your posts is confusing what is obviously a pretty good man and a personal friend with someone who was a pillar to the community and made sacrifices for it. I don't see Gary as someone who crossed that line. All I see is all about him and his crew. Further, there seems to be some kind of insistance that he be respected as a great giver to the community. To place him with the likes of the guys who actually volunteer hours (make that years in a few cases...) for the AF, do cleanups, bolt replacements, etc - it's kind of annoying to me - even more so as this thread wears on. If you just didn't cross that line...
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Gary sponsored one of the first bolt replacements at Eldo- that was spearheaded by David Brewster as I recall. Thanks for reminding me.

Your logic seems to indicate that if YOU didn't see it, hear it or know about it, then it didn't happen. And that is patently false.

The point myself and others here are making is that many of the things Gary did for the community were not exercises in public relations and self-promotion.

What about the other points I made that you couldn't argue semantics with? What about that huge discount list in Gary's shop manual? Are those people not part of the larger community?
Sheesh, what about the huge list of people he employed in that forty years? Are they part of the larger community?

Did anyone here indicate that Gary is a 'Pillar of the community'? Gary himself would laugh his ass off at that statement.

Maybe you could take that line of thinking in a more positive vein- why not start a thread about your heroes in the Boulder community? Highlight their accomplishments.
Or is it more fun to take the piss on someone that you perceive has failed you and your community?

Maybe you could reveal the thing that stepped on your own toes so badly. It's clear that you take any celebration of Gary's business in this thread as personally offensive.

~ph



JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 12, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
What about that huge discount list in Gary's shop manual?
Dude - Gary's bro-deal book - you were serious?

I've stated my point. Carry on.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
The only thing that annoys me about your posts

Lol early leader for the 2013 Bag-O-Dicks Nomination.

DMT
Prod

Trad climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
Lol early leader for the 2013 Bag-O-Dicks Nomination.

Hey, how do I gen in on that?

Prod.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
What about that huge discount list in Gary's shop manual?

That "shop manual" was sweeeeet!!
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 12, 2013 - 06:13pm PT

Julia
I've got an OLD pair of Ramer bindings too--the serial number on
mine is 0002.
I don't know why I keep them, I've never been much of a skier.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 12, 2013 - 07:20pm PT

I've stated my point. Carry on.

Idea: Why not just go speak your point(s) to the actual Gary Neptune?

He is a real living person, not some anonymous internet avatar. It's not like you don't know where to find him!!!!! Hahahahaha!
He's actually pretty easy to deal with unless you're just a total ass.

Think of it as the JLP Challenge. It's how they used to do things in the old days- when you had a gripe you went and talked to the person rather than sniping them from afar. Grown man sh#t.

Or whatever. Carry on yourself.

~ph


John M

climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
Phil, thanks for the great stories. I really appreciated what you said about him running his store his way. Even if that meant losing customers. He had his ideals and that was that. I can understand that and I could understand how that might rub some folks the wrong way. I also really like that he treated his employees well. I had a boss who would take us waterskiing very early in the morning. That made a big difference in ones work experience.

Thanks for the great stories and the background. I enjoy seeing the pictures.


...

As for as the internet. I would advise not answering everyone. You likely wont change some folks minds. Even if you acknowledge their points.
Alpinist07

Mountain climber
Nashville, TN
Jan 12, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
The new owner would be smart to take their time in making any changes. Observe what makes Neptune's Unique and what has put them on the map. Quick changes can result sometimes in unexpected disaster. There's more to running a business than what you can read on a spreadsheet or going over the books. Gary has built a classic shop and has a loyal customer base.
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Jan 12, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
End of an era, or maybe period, or is it erathem,...epoch? I say we cannonize Gary.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jan 12, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Thanks JohnM,

Changing people's minds on the internet has never been a preoccupation.

JLP and others who seem to only want to steer the subject back to their own soapboxes appear self-entitled and petty.

My comment stands for anybody: If you've got that degree of a beef with someone or a business, why not address it directly? Whether it's better financial support for the Access Fund or whatever the gripe. Particularly Gary Neptune. He's more than man enough to take it.

Anybody who knows anything about Gary knows he's an old-fashioned bloke.
If JLP were to go see him directly he could probably resolve all his issues. But it's obvious that he would rather take snide potshots from the internet. To me it's pretty weak sauce and I'll bet Gary would feel the same.

Thanks for your comments. Much appreciated.
Maybe others can post some better climbing shots and stories from the Neptune crew. Mine suck.

~ph


Edit: Even if the slideshows were the 'only' thing Gary contributed to the community- that was in itself huge. Gary poured money into those shows over the years, far beyond waht other business would do.
These shows, as Julia noted earlier, became a staple of Boulder Thursday nights. These shows didn't simply benefit community- they actually created community.


The big hope now is that the new owners of the business feel as strongly as Gary did about bringing in great shows and presenters.
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