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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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The walk is fairly short.
The bigger issue is that the overflow lot will fill on several days of the year, and then you can't park. It already happens 6-8 days a year with the combined parking lots.
I'm just seeing a perfectly good parking lot, and no need to trade it for the other stuff. Leave it and add the other stuff if you want those things....
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Bad Acronym
climber
Little Death Hollow
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Alternative E: new mouse-coaster on Machete Ridge; waterslides at The Flumes; log ride at Lava Falls; hot dog concession in the tunnel.
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Al_T.Tude
Trad climber
Monterey, CA
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The historic significance of rock climbers as a user group should be acknowledged and respected in the planning process. New route development and placement of fixed protection (ie bolts) in new locations at Pinnacles is very slow and done only after careful consideration by local climbers. This tradition should persist to both allow historic use of this resource to continue and to respect the natural values of the unit for all user groups. Replacement of old, weak protection with discrete modern bolts in the same location should continue to be allowed for the safety of park visitors.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
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bump
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2013 - 11:47am PT
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burp
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
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last day - keep this at the top
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
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The document just says it will plan to continue climbing, it doesn't mean that climbing is recognized as a longstanding and traditional use of the "park". Getting that language in other national lands was decisive at a meta level so that climbing couldn't be whole sale removed for other reasons even though the use "would" continue. It signals intent, not official recognition. Intent is impermanent. This needs to be recognized in the overarching planning documents, not just the climbing mgt plan.
Point in fact, the survey grossly misrepresents the percent of climbers. With only one survey per user, on a given day/period, it doesn't reflect climber use days. i.e. the number of days actual climbers actually spend there, including repeat users. The same might be true of repeat hikers as well.
Anyways, just my thoughts. I saw what happened to Joshua Tree and climber participation will be more critical than ever with the new designation.
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