Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 6, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
I cordially invite all Democrats, Republicans, and all other political persuasions, to tune in to CNN-Piers Morgan for this live show. Check your local listings for show time. No punches will be pulled. May the better man win.
For those who do not know who Alex Jones is, have a look here..... http://www.infowars.com/
Consider tuning in to his radio broadcast (top right corner) for a true representation.
Pardon me please (in advance) if for some reason the show is canceled.
I don't have a problem with political posts, but Alex Jones? Why is it so much fun to embrace paranoia? Possibly because it's so remarkably distracting from the harsh nature of reality.
In 2006, The Washington Post reported…”Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission…”
(CINCINNATI, Ohio) – In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version… is almost entirely untrue…
The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.
Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities’ School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.
Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.
Farmer states…“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened… I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”
The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say… “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . ” When Bush’s own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?
9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, “No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again.”
With the only “official” 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.
What does Farmer’s book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide. . . . .
Anytime that man has opened his mouth about anything I have a doctorate in he has sounded like a moron. Do I have to listen to what he has to say about topics I don't know so much about?
I agree Jim, until this thread I never heard of Alex Jones. Reading up on him, he sounds like a freak. But these kind of shows make money for people like him.
Piers Morgan? I never liked him when I was a journalist in London, and I still do not like him.
The guy is a living embarassment, a huckster, a mediaporn star, and single-handedly responsible for lowering millions of already steadily declining IQs. So yeah, that would be a no.
I'm kind of sympathetic to Jones' position, but I had to turn it off. The guy is an angry pig. ha
Piers (I've never heard of him before) seems pretty reasonable. Of course I'm sure Hitler (now disqualified) had reasonable spokesman, so that doesn't prove he's right. But at least, Alex, let the guy ask the question and then answer it. ha
I better go review the boobs thread to see if anything new has popped up.
In Jone's defense, he was harassed by the TSA tonight on his way to the NY filming. So he's perhaps even a bit more angry than usual.
I've often wondered if he isn't sponsored by the CIA or someone who wants conspiracy people to look nuts. He's certainly borderline. (playing one conspiracy off against another in this case - lol)
But he also keeps some important stuff in the public eye (I understand he has a huge following by-the-way) like 9/11, FEMA camps, 500 million rounds of hollow point ammo bought by Dept Homeland Security recently. All been silenced. This stuff should be talked about, and the main stream media (latest count 90% of which is owned by 6 corporations) certainly wants to bury it all under American Idle.
Can someone put a link to the interview when it becomes available? I respect AJ but I know he can be very emotional over the top and lose it.
He's exposed a great deal of dark truth that no one really wants to be confronted with. He has shown much behind the curtain. I respect him for that. He's pretty brave to do so. Few can do it.
Well it's about guns, the 2nd Admendment. A very emotional topic on any day of the week no matter what side you're on.
I'm on the side of protecting our Bill of Rights. I don't own a gun but I want to protect the right to own them. The citizens have a right to protect themselves from any enemy who would want to do them harm.
Evil people who go to schools and places of businesses and go "postal" has to be dealt with.
The answer is the fact there is true evil in the world. This real evil influences people to do horrendous acts of violence against innocent people. If there is evil in the world, then there is real and true Goodness (G-d: Hashem Adonai Elohim) in the world. But if you take the Goodness in the world out purposefully, then evil prevails. Stop taking G-d out of the world.
If you are looking for intelligent critical authors/activists/speakers of geo-political/media issues here are plenty of others to look up. You don't need to follow wackjob conspiracy opinionators like this clown. He will drag your IQ down to the depths. He is a salesman too don't forget, schleping out his junk during his commercial breaks.
One of the biggest author names out there I can recommend is Noam Chomsky. There are others but he might be a good one to check out. Alex Jones has an interview with him where AJ totally goes totally apeshit childish at the end, as he is unable to function in an actual intellectual discussion.
That AJ fool is a giant bully, foaming at the mouth idiot. He didn't even show up for a conversation, he showed up for a massive shout down-fest. And shout he did.
For a guy (AJ) who says he doesn't like Hilter, Stalin, Mao, etc., he sure does act like them. What a fascist bully. I guess the saying "Choose your enemies well, for they are most likely what you will become" is pretty accurate in this case. Anger, frustration,paranoia and guns. Winning combination.
This is tame compared to the way he came off. He's a loud mouthed as#@&%e.
He ate too many bowls of ParaNoiaCrispyPuffs as a kid....
Jones was born on February 11, 1974 in Dallas, Texas, and grew up in the suburb of Rockwall. His father is a dentist. He attended Anderson High School in northwest Austin, Texas. Jones was a lineman on his high school's football team. After graduating high school he briefly attended Austin Community College.
He began his career in Austin with a live, call-in format Public-access television cable TV program. In 1996, Jones switched format to KJFK, hosting a show named The Final Edition. In 1998, he released his first film, America Destroyed By Design.
In 1998, Jones organized a successful effort to build a new Branch Davidian church as a memorial to those who died during the 1993 fire that ended the government's siege of the original Branch Davidian complex near Waco, Texas. He often featured the project on his Public-access television program and claimed that Koresh and his followers were peaceful people who were murdered by Attorney General Janet Reno and the ATF during the siege.
In 1999, he tied with Shannon Burke for that year's "Best Austin Talk Radio Host" poll as voted by The Austin Chronicle readers. Later that year, he was fired from KJFK-FM. According to the station's operations manager, Jones was fired because his viewpoints made the show hard to sell to advertisers and he refused to broaden his topics. Jones argued: "It was purely political, and it came down from on high", and, "I was told 11 weeks ago to lay off Clinton, to lay off all these politicians, to not talk about rebuilding the church, to stop bashing the Marines, A to Z."
In early 2000, Jones was one of seven Republican candidates for state representative in Texas House District 48, an open seat swing district based in Austin, Texas. Jones stated that he was running, "to be a watchdog on the inside." He aborted his campaign and withdrew before the March primary when polls indicated he had little chance of winning.
Alex Jones was hilariously scary. It was just difficult to believe that the whole show wasn't staged. Unreal!
It is interesting that more than 25,000 thousand people signed a petition to expel Piers from the USA. Now the government has to reply to the petition.
I like Piers Morgan's shows. He asks good questions and doesn't insult his guests. He managed to invite some very interesting people, ranging from Dalai Lama to Ahmadinejad. Why would anybody wanted to expel him is beyond me (well, maybe not).
I am so out of touch sometimes, not having a tv and all I thought this Alex was a climber and I had no idea who Piers Morgan was. Scary sh#t is all I can say. Even more frightening is there are millions like him. An eye for an eye till all the world was blind.......
Just for fun because Captain Paranoia needs to be outed a little more, but only if you've got a minute. Apology for too much text. I normally avoid it.
SSRI Stories compiles scare stories from media sources in an attempt to show that selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors are too dangerous to be on the market. Most of these stories involve murders, school shootings, suicides, and assorted atrocities committed by people who were taking SSRIs, as if this proves that the drugs, and not pre-existing mental conditions, caused the people to commit such actions. I'm not going to go into the whole SSRI controversy here; I'll just say that I believe the severe side effects that concern Henderson and others are rare, can be detected early with proper supervision, and are not sufficient reason to dismiss the beneficial effects that many people receive from this class of drugs.
It is Henderson's contention that SSRIs don't treat depression; they cause mental illness and homicidal behaviour.
Henderson pointed out that O.J. Simpson was on antidepressants. So was Phil Hartman's wife. As Jones has pointed out many times, several school shooters were on antidepressants. In fact, said Henderson, "We didn't have these school shootings until 1988, when Prozac came out." She identifies the first school shooter as Laurie Dann, a troubled young Jewish woman who shot several elementary-school students in Illinois. Surprisingly, Jones did not jump in to speculate that the ADL put Dann up to it.
This statement tells me that Betty Henderson is not well-acquainted with her subject of choice. Here are just a few of the school massacres that occurred prior to 1988 (you'll find many more at Wikipedia):
1891: The first "motiveless" U.S. school shooting was much like those that followed, though the shooter remains the oldest on record (70). James Foster fired on several boys in a school playground in Newburgh, New York.
1927: A disgruntled janitor bombed a school in Bath Township, Ohio. This is still the largest school massacre in U.S. history, and it occurred a full 64 years before Prozac hit the market. [corrections: actually, the bomber was a maintenance man, and a member of the school board, and the bombing occurred 59 years before Prozac was introduced in parts of Europe.]
1940: The vice principal of South Pasadena Junior High summoned school district officials to a meeting in his office. Then he killed five of them with his .22 pistol, permanently injured a sixth, and shot himself. He didn't die, but he always insisted that he couldn't remember his own actions on what came to be known as "the Monday Massacre". His psychiatrist, however, concluded that Verlin Spencer viewed himself as an educational crusader and staged a near-suicide so he could "remain the center of attention, commanding that position in a grisly triumph over imaginary enemies." Whether this explanation has any validity or not, Verlin Spencer was one messed-up dude... without SSRIs.
1966: Charles Whitman ascended the belltower at the University of Texas and sprayed bullets onto the campus, killing and wounding numerous students. This occurred in Austin, Alex Jones' base of operations.
1975: Ottawa teenager Robert Poulin raped and murdered a neighbor girl, set fire to his house, then shot up a school.
1979: Teenage Brenda Spencer fired on kids and teachers at a school across the street from her home. Her explanation for why she did it has become almost as famous as the mountaineers' standby "because it was there": "I don't like Mondays."
Though Marc Lepine murdered students at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique in 1989, it's fairly obvious from his suicide note that he had been contemplating such an action for a long time, possibly as early as 1984, when Denis Lortie went on a killing spree at the National Assembly of Quebec.
Not only were none of these shooters on SSRIs, they weren't on any psych meds whatsoever. But Jones actually said, "There hasn't been a high-profile mass shooting that didn't involve SSRIs." Well, except for the Tsuyama massacre of 1938, the 1949 rampage of Harold Unruh, the Neptune Moving Company massacre by neo-Nazi Fred Cowan in 1977, the shopping mall attack by Sylvia Seegrist in 1985, the Hungerford massacre that occurred a year before Prozac was introduced, and countless others.
Though much has been made of Columbine shooter Eric Harris being on Luvox, Dylan Klebold was not on any psych meds. What's his excuse?
Harris was psychiatrically evaluated after committing vandalism and theft, and his diagnosis stemmed from that evaluation. Are you telling me he would have been a law-abiding, well-adjusted kid if not for Luvox? Get real.
Laurie Dann was on psychiatric meds - not including Prozac - for a chemical imbalance at the time of her death, but her bizarre behaviour began years earlier. She terroristically stalked boyfriends and an ex-husband, made false reports of rape and violent attacks, and hid rotting meat in her living-room couch.
Henderson went on to tell listeners that Andrea Yates and the other Texas mothers who mutilated and murdered their young children were perfectly fine until their doctors prescribed SSRIs. She makes no mention of the postpartum depression and/or postpartum psychosis that led to those drugs being prescribed in the first place. In fact, she repeated the absurd notion that the Texas Mother's Act was not designed as a screening system to catch early symptoms of post-partum depression and treat the mothers suffering from it, hopefully to prevent more drownings and dismemberment, but is simply "an excuse to get moms on drugs". Jones piped in here to say that doctors are trying to convince women that having babies isn't natural; you need to be on drugs to do it.
Not exactly. Texas, for some crazy reason, has a high incidence of post-partum psychotic violence against infants, toddlers, and their older siblings. I can't begin to understand why this is so, but I commend the state for taking some action to help women with post-partum depression.
Jones made an even weirder statement about women and psych meds: "Doctors are trying to convince women you're not supposed to have a regular period. They'll say, 'You need an SSRI for that.'"
There are birth-control pills that reduce monthly periods to about 4 per year. However, SSRIs have no effect upon the menstrual cycle. At all. And no doctor says they do.
Ms. Henderson offered a few alternatives to SSRIs, including dirt: "Dirt is an antidepressant!" So if you garden, you won't be depressed anymore! Even though you can only garden for a few months out of the year in most parts of North America. Even though depression often hits most severely in the winter months. Even though Henderson did not identify the psychoactive ingredients in dirt.
Maybe you could freeze some dirt and make mudpies in December.
data says SSRI pills f*ck with peoples brain in different ways. like any drug does.
for instance some people are mean drunks, others funny, while most just get sleepy. SSRI variants are a roll of the dice. most get better and a few suicide after shooting people in the mall.
is there an app for iphone that alerts when anyone on SSRI is within a 100yards flash their picture on the display and if they own a gun?
1891: The first "motiveless" U.S. school shooting was much like those that followed, though the shooter remains the oldest on record (70). James Foster fired on several boys in a school playground in Newburgh, New York.
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